Wednesday, January 30, 2008

January 30, 2008

Session Start: Wed Jan 30 00:00:00 2008

Session Time: Wed Jan 30 00:00:00 2008

[05:27] {cosmo} ETFC pre mkt high = 4.52 so far
[05:29] {cosmo} squeeze rumors...
[05:36] {Threei} insider buys or something like that
[05:36] {Threei} Good morning
[05:37] {cosmo} ALTI: Altairnano Signs $2.5 Million U.S. Navy Contract for Development of Nano-Lithium Titanate Battery Technology
[05:37] {cosmo} Business Wire (Wed 8:00am)
[05:38] {cosmo} 3.89 pre mkt high
[05:40] {Threei} ALTI is one of those... often looks promising, almost never delivers
[05:41] {Threei} catches fire sometimes but most of the time fizzles out
[05:41] {cosmo} hmmm... its time
[05:41] {Threei} would be nice
[05:42] {Threei} we could use momo runner that doesn't notice broader market
[05:42] {cosmo} someone's gonna get a breakthru in battery technology and change the world....maybe
[05:43] {Threei} didn't energizer bunny do that already?
[05:43] {cosmo} he tried
[05:43] {cosmo} old tech
[05:43] {Threei} ah
[05:44] {Threei} non-nano is the term future generations will probably use to indicate stone age tech
[05:44] {Threei} I claim the word coin
[05:44] {cosmo} coin the word?
[05:46] {Threei} don't confuse me that early
[05:46] {Threei} I am confused successfuly without help
[05:46] {cosmo} PN dates = pre nano ...AN = after nano ... right?
[05:46] {Threei} sounds right to me
[05:47] {cosmo} :)
[05:48] {cosmo} SLAB beats est.
[05:49] {cosmo} 32.40 high
[05:55] {cosmo} CYMI: Cymer posts Q4 profit below view, sees lower Q1 revenue
[05:55] {cosmo} at Reuters (Tue 6:17pm)
[05:55] {cosmo} off 18%
[05:58] {dptl} good morning all
[05:58] {Threei} dp :)
[05:59] {magoo} mornink seradmoc
[05:59] {Threei} magoo :)
[06:02] {esemde} morning youzz guys and whats happinin eh.....
[06:03] {Threei} ese :)
[06:03] {esemde} vad
[06:03] {cosmo} here comes the sun, ese :)
[06:03] {dino} gm all, blustery day here
[06:04] {esemde} as in The Beatles "Her Comes The Sun"
[06:04] {Threei} dino :)
[06:04] {cosmo} her?
[06:04] {esemde} Here...opps
[06:04] {cosmo} :)
[06:08] {esemde} Ok ...looking for advice still long ESLR at .27...closed the day at .55 yesterday...earnings release is after close today and it's bidding up now.....wha da ya think...dump it or hang on till the end of the day
[06:09] {Threei} coin toss IMO, ese
[06:09] {Threei} too many factors involved to make even educated guess
[06:10] {esemde} i'm pretty sure i'm going to dump it....i've held through other earnings releases and it's a crap shoot
[06:10] {Threei} fed day today... what oil does... what solar sector does... and earnings of this particular one on top of it all
[06:10] {Threei} with so much uncertainty, I am pretty sure I wouldn't hold it
[06:11] {lumdus} gm all.
[06:11] {Threei} lum :)
[06:12] {esemde} lump...i mean lum....morning
[06:12] {lumdus} ese, day didn't start and you starting up already ?
[06:12] {esemde} sorry couldn't resist that one....
[06:12] {lumdus} :)
[06:13] {Threei} my take on today guys:
[06:13] {esemde} go for it ........i'm ready ...hit me with your best one...
[06:13] {Threei} 1. market will want to go red and stay red no matter what fed announces
[06:14] {Threei} 2. there will be a lot of repositioning so general trend won't be smooth, hence scalping is in effect
[06:14] {Threei} 3. the closer to announcement time the tighter range is going to be, with accidental jerking around
[06:15] {lumdus} what time is announcement ?
[06:15] {Threei} 2:15 EST
[06:15] {lumdus} ok, so lunch from 1 - 2:30
[06:15] {lumdus} continue ..
[06:15] {esemde} 11:15 our time on the west coase
[06:15] {esemde} "coast"
[06:16] {Threei} my idea of today's entries is the same as last couple days - short bounces
[06:16] {Threei} maybe buy extreme selloffs
[06:16] {Threei} will see
[06:21] {bruce} welcome back lum
[06:21] {dino} and, of course, have fun
[06:22] {lumdus} Bruce, i can't work everyday. need to have fun you know ..
[06:23] {bruce} good attitude lum
[06:23] {bruce} this little piggy went to market
[06:23] {bruce} that little piggy lowered fed rate
[06:24] {bruce} and all the little piggies went oink oink oink as they tried to figure out markket direction
[06:24] {bruce} that about sums up today
[06:25] {dino} perhaps figuring direction is a waste of time, just react
[06:26] {Threei} I second that dino
[06:29] {Threei} watching CYMI for possible short
[06:30] {Threei} .50 resistance so far
[06:31] {Threei} broke, still waiting
[06:32] {Threei} small shares short hwere, 28.10 stop
[06:33] {Threei} in .83
[06:33] {Threei} stopped
[06:33] {lumdus} in flex 11.19
[06:34] {lumdus} stop 11.09
[06:37] {Threei} AAPL long with stop under 130.40
[06:37] {Threei} missed entry so far
[06:37] {Threei} maybe one more pullback
[06:38] {Threei} in
[06:38] {lumdus} stop on flex 11.13
[06:40] {Threei} out AAPL131.10
[06:40] {Threei} +.39 if my math is correct
[06:41] {dino} vmw l .00, sm
[06:41] {dino} trig
[06:41] {Threei} CYMI .80 another short try
[06:42] {Threei} stop just above 29
[06:43] {Threei} in
[06:43] {lumdus} flex 1/2 out .42 +.22
[06:44] {Threei} good one
[06:46] {Threei} CYMI over 1:1
[06:46] {lumdus} out flex .55 +.25
[06:46] {lumdus} +.35 .. sorry
[06:47] {lumdus} easy money made.. i am sure this can go to 12 / 13 today .
[06:47] {Threei} covered half CYMI
[06:47] {lumdus} vad, on a normla day i would hold flex for a full day, it has those charact..
[06:48] {lumdus} however, after your speach this morning of the fed stuff, i am scalping.
[06:48] {Threei} stop to b/e for second half
[06:50] {Threei} stop to above .60
[06:50] {dino} l de .50
[06:52] {dino} de stopped -.30
[06:53] {Threei} out
[06:53] {lumdus} ho, shoots. Flex to 13 man .. maybe i shouldn't scalp
[06:55] {dino} jaso l .25
[06:55] {dino} wide
[06:55] {Threei} RMBS .86 long half lot if stays above.70
[06:56] {bruce} got +.24 in de dino - was able to get .26 entry
[06:56] {bruce} back to flat for day
[06:56] {lumdus} in rmbs .91
[06:57] {dino} gj bruce, went right for my stop
[06:57] {bruce} just lucky dino
[06:57] {Threei} if you feel strongly about FLEX, it pulls back into support
[06:57] {dino} :)
[06:58] {lumdus} vad, not anymore. rmbs much healthier
[06:58] {dino} out jaso .60, +.35
[06:59] {cosmo} YHOO 19.15 hod fyi
[07:00] {dino} fwlt
[07:01] {lumdus} go rmbs !
[07:01] {Threei} RMBS 1:1
[07:02] {dptl} out ty
[07:02] {Threei} :)
[07:02] {lumdus} vad, this one i am going to hold a little
[07:02] {Threei} good luck
[07:03] {lumdus} vad .87 support ?
[07:03] {Threei} at this point, yes
[07:03] {dino} jaso l sm .25
[07:04] {dino} fwlt l sm .01fwlt l .01
[07:05] {lumdus} rmbs suport held very nicely and now breaking. give me more
[07:06] {Threei} Greed is Good. G Gekko
[07:07] {dino} indeed
[07:08] {dino} out fwlt .65, +.64
[07:08] {Threei} wtg
[07:09] {dino} ty
[07:10] {lumdus} stop on rmbs 17.93
[07:11] {lumdus} glad out flex..
[07:11] {dino} out jaso .25, flat
[07:12] {Threei} notice how it made you wish to get back in at the exactly wrong time
[07:12] {lumdus} yes, i notice that.
[07:12] {lumdus} rmbs meanwhile working like a good boy
[07:12] {lumdus} about to toffer 1/2 out on rmbs next run
[07:12] {Threei} this is the way to incorporate emotions you feel in your action - those are likely emotions that drive the crowd,
[07:12] {lumdus} out rmbs 18.22
[07:12] {Threei} so being learned and disciplined trader you can use it
[07:13] {lumdus} +.32 thanks vad
[07:13] {Threei} welcome sir
[07:13] {Threei} 3:4 so far
[07:13] {lumdus} second 1/2 stop 18.03
[07:13] {lumdus} no 4:4 so far
[07:13] {dino} gj guys
[07:14] {lumdus} selling rmbs .45
[07:14] {lumdus} +.65 nice job vad
[07:14] {Threei} congrats
[07:15] {lumdus} ok, that means i take off tommorrw again.
[07:16] {bruce} glad you got o9ut jaso flat - what told you to exit dino?
[07:16] {lumdus} don't slap me .. what time is the fed thing 11:15 or 2:15 ?
[07:17] {Threei} depends on your time zone
[07:17] {dino} oih bruce
[07:17] {bruce} k
[07:17] {bruce} got you
[07:18] {Threei} if you are in Mongolia, or for some wierd reason want to know by their time... one thing
[07:18] {lumdus} i am in NY
[07:18] {Threei} 2:15 then :)
[07:18] {lumdus} ok tx. yeah, i am thick sometimes
[07:19] {Threei} FLEX is ready for bounce
[07:19] {Threei} .33 would be the stop
[07:19] {lumdus} i am watching aci. I like it much better
[07:20] {lumdus} if stays above .88 and breaks 43.04 i am in
[07:23] {lumdus} in aci 43.03 .02
[07:23] {dino} vmw l .00
[07:23] {lumdus} stop 42.89
[07:23] {dino} out .25, +.25
[07:23] {esemde} bstop FLEX .52 1/2 lots
[07:24] {esemde} higher low theory....
[07:26] {esemde} long FLEX .52
[07:27] {esemde} stop .33
[07:27] {Threei} I played it differently ese... but then again, my target was just a quick scalp
[07:28] {lumdus} short c .54 stop .61
[07:28] {esemde} how did you play it VAD.......
[07:28] {Threei} DOE CRUDE: +3.6M V +2ME ; GASOLINE: +3.6M V +2ME ; DISTILLATES: -1.5M V -2.1ME ; UTILIZATION: % V 86.2%E
[07:28] {esemde} bounce.....
[07:28] {Threei} are we swimming in oil or what
[07:28] {lumdus} ou taci -.08
[07:29] {Threei} I just grabbed .42 with 9 cents stop, and dumped into 1:1 when it broke .50
[07:29] {esemde} so I bought your do you determine a bounce so quickly
[07:30] {lumdus} C not going the right way, needs to go down soon
[07:30] {Threei} definitely not my shares, I sold .53 :)
[07:30] {esemde} could have bee .5212
[07:31] {esemde} how did you determine the bounce so quickly....and what chart are you looking at 1 min?
[07:31] {Threei} 1 min yes
[07:32] {Threei} it bottomed at .34, went above .40, made couple little moves around it, and refused to lose .40 on further selling..
[07:32] {esemde} the drop volume bar was 3 before the low bar. 269000
[07:32] {Threei} risk was so small at this point, and pullback from high so significant,
[07:33] {Threei} with NASDAQ climbing further up, it was a safe enough bet
[07:33] {esemde} so did you do .09 with size....couple of lots
[07:33] {Threei} right
[07:33] {Threei} thick stock
[07:33] {esemde} hmmmm that would be
[07:33] {Threei} slippage is not very likely
[07:34] {lumdus} c needs real slippage
[07:34] {esemde} whereas mine has opportunity to fall from here.......hmmmmmm
[07:36] {lumdus} in gm 27.68
[07:36] {lumdus} stop 27.57
[07:37] {dino} jaso drop
[07:38] {lumdus} out gm -.11
[07:39] {lumdus} stop on c 27.58
[07:40] {lumdus} vad, gm trade was bad trading or valid ? (the stop )
[07:40] {lumdus} c
[07:41] {lumdus} out no workey either
[07:41] {Threei} I didn't like entry
[07:41] {Threei} stop placement was right
[07:41] {Threei} entry is too "chasey"
[07:42] {lumdus} .58 would be the right entry ?
[07:42] {Threei} it consolidated for a while under .60, that would be my trigger
[07:42] {lumdus} yeah, i see that.. "too chasey" !
[07:42] {dino} amag
[07:43] {Threei} whith .60 entry, .49 stop you had 1:1 easy
[07:43] {Threei} with .68 entry, risk/reward ratio is not matching the chart setup
[07:44] {lumdus} OK, thanks
[07:44] {dino} amag l sm .95
[07:44] {lumdus} overall good day today. ce ya, be back 2:30
[07:44] {esemde} come on FLEX BABY!!!!!!!!
[07:45] {Threei} {FLEX} huh? you called?
[07:45] {dino} out amag .50, +.55
[07:45] {dino} one of those days...:)
[07:46] {esemde} trying your technique Vad...scream at it a little
[07:46] {esemde} just bout that
[07:46] {Threei} t complete the technique, kick them in the rear too
[07:46] {dino} throw something too es, preferrably at magoo
[07:46] {Threei} steel-toed shoes won't hurt
[07:46] {Threei} lol dino
[07:47] {dino} thats what i do
[07:47] {bruce} shoot - had been watching amag and missed yoru call in it dino
[07:47] {dino} amag again drops
[07:47] {esemde} been watching MRVL for a bit.....daily chart looks ready for a break out up.....
[07:48] {bruce} vmw had a nice pop
[07:48] {dino} oops wrong chart
[07:48] {dino} yes vmw, i sold way soon, scalp mode ya know
[07:49] {esemde} scream #2........COME ON FLEX BABY!!!!!
[07:49] {esemde} screamed with the come on as well
[07:49] {dino} amag bruce, give me a bottom
[07:49] {dino} or l trig .00
[07:50] {bruce} looks to me like vmw is settingup for big move again - but I don't have feel forlong or short
[07:51] {dino} toughy w/that destruction yesterday
[07:51] {bruce} 55 even for amag
[07:51] {dino} amag bottom .19 looks like
[07:54] {esemde} heres some words to live by from a musician,,,"LIVE LIFE LOUD" huh huh huh...wha da ya think
[07:56] {dino} i like it
[07:56] {Threei} I do too.. not sure about neighbours though
[07:56] {esemde} tks...i feel thats what what were doin on VADS board
[07:57] {dino} wouldn't bother my neighbors, turning into a party neighborhood
[07:57] {esemde} COME ON FLEX BABY!!!!!!!!!!
[07:57] {dino} why thank you
[07:58] {dino} amag sm l here bruce
[07:59] {dino} ucbi
[07:59] {dino} missed
[08:00] {dino} was thinking 19.80s
[08:03] {esemde} oh oh......
[08:04] {dino} ustr
[08:06] {bruce} ucbi moving again too dino
[08:06] {dino} safm
[08:06] {dino} not enough ucbi, imo
[08:07] {bruce} k
[08:09] {bruce} safm looks good
[08:09] {dino} i like $2+/- on spikes, $2.50+/- on capits, fwiw
[08:09] {dino} and now my secret is out
[08:10] {dino} s safm sm .10
[08:10] {bruce} cool - s0me numbers to play with
[08:12] {dino} see how difficult my system is to use, lol
[08:12] {bruce} lol
[08:12] {bruce} thats the short version dino
[08:12] {bruce} plus watching ndx oih and so forth
[08:13] {dino} find your edge, manage the risk, be consistant, & keep it simple
[08:13] {dino} ktec
[08:15] {dino} safm bstop to b/e
[08:16] {dino} whoa ktec a bit thin
[08:16] {dino} ditch it
[08:17] {bruce} I see that 17 k for day
[08:18] {dino} yeah, wasn't expecting that, might be just 3 guys messing w/it
[08:18] {Threei} RIMM .61 small shares long with stop under .50
[08:18] {Threei} invalidated
[08:19] {esemde} OUT FFFFFFFFFFLEX.......
[08:19] {esemde} .32
[08:20] {bruce} yeah - probably mags roman and vad again
[08:20] {dino} ravn drops
[08:20] {dino} too thin
[08:20] {dino} sigm bit of blood
[08:21] {bruce} sigm dino
[08:22] {Threei} RIMM setup is back, same structure
[08:23] {dino} safm stopped flat
[08:23] {Threei} 1:1 in a hurry
[08:23] {Threei} and over
[08:24] {bruce} triggered before I could pull it up vad
[08:24] {bruce} nice trade - congrats
[08:24] {Threei} ty
[08:24] {Threei} what do you mean before you could pull it up?
[08:24] {dino} sigm .40s?
[08:24] {Threei} it was a few minutes between my aklert and actual trigger
[08:25] {dino} sigm sm l .00
[08:25] {dino} too soon
[08:26] {Threei} dino... magoo left on purpose, to have a reason to blame me again for calling winners when he is away?
[08:26] {dino} yes vad, that was his plan
[08:26] {Threei} thought so
[08:27] {dino} order "the big sandwich" for super bowl
[08:28] {dino} 4 feet of hogie , mmm, mmm, mmmmmm
[08:29] {dino} i see noboby appreciates fine food
[08:30] {Threei} hehe
[08:31] {dino} out amag .40, +.50
[08:31] {Chaeron} Hi all - great to be here
[08:32] {dino} gm chaer
[08:33] {dino} sigm stop to lod not moving
[08:34] {dino} stopped -.24
[08:35] {dino} de lod
[08:35] {bruce} hey chaeron
[08:35] {Chaeron} hi bruce, dino... :)
[08:36] {Threei} chaeron :)
[08:37] {bruce} sigm looks to be reversing dino
[08:38] {Threei} wow RMBS is still moving
[08:38] {dino} what a rinse
[08:39] {bruce} rinse? de?
[08:39] {dino} good call bruce
[08:39] {dino} sigm rinsed me
[08:40] {bruce} k - sorry
[08:40] {bruce} would like to get at 42.75 or so
[08:40] {bruce} with 40 c stop
[08:40] {dino} i would think that it could do that at least
[08:41] {dino} no news out
[08:42] {Threei} RMBS .80 short half lot if stays under 20
[08:43] {dino} de sm l .10
[08:43] {dino} meli disaster continues
[08:45] {dino} nyx
[08:46] {bruce} safm short again .29
[08:48] {dino} out de .50, +.40
[08:49] {dino} too soon
[08:50] {dino} amag drops again
[08:51] {dino} sm l amag .50, wide
[08:53] {bruce} out safm =.20
[08:54] {dino} gj
[08:55] {bruce} thanx dino
[08:58] {dino} amag stopped -.40
[08:58] {dino} taking a lunch break
[08:58] {bruce} bailing amag
[09:00] {magoo} back
[09:00] {Threei} you left?
[09:00] {magoo} sigh..all morning f'in around
[09:01] {magoo} lol
[09:03] {magoo} i miss alot of trades vad?
[09:03] {Threei} just 1 I think, RIMM
[09:04] {Threei} quick 20 cents, nothing extreme
[09:04] {magoo} ok
[09:04] {magoo} ty
[09:04] {magoo} prob not much now thru decision
[09:05] {dino} gj sigm bruce
[09:05] {Threei} RMBS .99 short
[09:05] {Threei} stop above .10
[09:05] {magoo} full lot?
[09:05] {dino} cpts
[09:05] {Threei} yeah
[09:08] {bruce} I didn't get my entry in it dino
[09:09] {bruce} not paying close enough attention
[09:09] {dino} ohhh mannnnnnnn, :)
[09:09] {bruce} should have raised bid on strenth in it
[09:09] {dino} watching de again
[09:11] {bruce} hmm - amag possible long now dino
[09:12] {dino} was thinking the same bruce
[09:13] {Threei} die already RMBS
[09:13] {dptl} kick it
[09:13] {magoo} how much u thinking? 1 : 1 or more?
[09:13] {Threei} sure
[09:13] {esemde} AH HA....theres that yelling thing again.....
[09:13] {dptl} out +.13 ty
[09:14] {Threei} half out here mags
[09:14] {Threei} stop to 20.01
[09:15] {Threei} 19.91
[09:15] {bruce} thinking .9 trigger in amag with 25c stop
[09:15] {Threei} want it to dive quickly after losing .70 for full cover
[09:16] {magoo} ok
[09:16] {dino} de sm l .14
[09:16] {Threei} here we go
[09:16] {dino} feels lower amag, imo
[09:16] {Threei} .76 stop
[09:16] {Threei} out
[09:16] {Threei} not enough oompn of breakdown
[09:17] {Threei} don't want to sit through bounce
[09:17] {magoo} out TY
[09:17] {Threei} :)
[09:17] {bruce} you're right - amag not finished bleeding
[09:17] {Threei} just in time mags
[09:17] {dino} heck of a daily range on it
[09:18] {Threei} who needs 25 cents bounces
[09:18] {magoo} still a scalpers mkt boss
[09:18] {Threei} sure... especially nearing fed time
[09:19] {Threei} actually, I am amazed we find trades still
[09:19] {dino} cut de not working
[09:19] {Threei} usually less than 2 hours till fed everything's dead
[09:20] {magoo} repositioning into fed
[09:20] {bruce} yeah see that - wasn't in it
[09:20] {bruce} takingbreak
[09:20] {Threei} and you kniw the worst part of today mags?
[09:21] {magoo} what?
[09:21] {Threei} laserdave is not here still
[09:21] {magoo} should be {lasydave he he}
[09:21] {Threei} lol
[09:22] {Threei} trades are fine, something like 5 for 6 or so
[09:22] {Threei} and what I like about today is the same thing as last couple days:
[09:22] {Threei} high percentage of wins and a lot of those that never trigger
[09:22] {magoo} i thought only RIMM?
[09:22] {Threei} hmm? Rimm was one I called while you weren't here
[09:23] {Threei} a few more worked, with one stopped
[09:23] {esemde} is there any reason whatsoever that these fed goofs would not cut rates again today.....
[09:23] {Threei} several non-triggering ones mean we are nicely on being careful side
[09:24] {Threei} by "better miss it than get in so-so one" logic
[09:24] {Threei} ese... you are trying to decipher the way aliens think...
[09:25] {Threei} they have different atmosphere, pkants, animals, pressure, gravity etc... can you really get in their way of thinking? :)
[09:26] {curtisweese} Hi, everyone. I'm a newbie....well I'm reading the course and going through the vids. I have been playing with a little money and paper trading and doing okay since I started with the books though. :)
[09:26] {Threei} RMBS bounce was worth re-shorting... I just felt we are at the end of readable period
[09:26] {Threei} hi curtis, welcome to the room
[09:27] {esemde} i figured...
[09:27] {esemde} curtis...welcome
[09:27] * Threei slaps LaserDave1 around a bit with a large trout
[09:27] {Threei} magoo, don't fall asleep
[09:27] {Threei} curtis... don't heistate to ask questions
[09:27] {Threei} and never mind our being a little bit insane
[09:28] {Threei} this is our way to stay sane in profession demanding insanity
[09:28] {Threei} magoo!!
[09:29] * magoo slaps LaserDave1 around a bit with a large trout
[09:29] * magoo slaps LaserDave1 around a bit with a large trout
[09:29] * magoo slaps LaserDave1 around a bit with a large trout
[09:29] {Threei} finally
[09:30] {Threei} I was about to ask dino to put his elbow in your ribs
[09:30] {LaserDave1} I feel so much better now
[09:30] {Threei} oh hi dave
[09:30] {LaserDave1} ha
[09:30] {magoo} gklad too help bro
[09:30] {LaserDave1} hey thats what friends are for!
[09:32] {curtisweese} Am I going to run into problems trading 20,000 shares at a time using your techiques if I stick with stocks like SIRI that have pretty huge volumes each day? Or is that limiting my potential because of the amount of shares at a time? It just seems that using your techniques and getting even $.02 to $.03 per share on a scalp on a high trade volume stock would be great. Am I off base?
[09:32] {Threei} this is one of scalping techniques
[09:32] {Threei} scalp type 1
[09:32] {dino} amag sm l .20
[09:33] {Threei} with right reading of particular stock it works
[09:33] {Threei} I wouldn't limit myself to just one technique but it's a personal preference
[09:34] {Threei} one thing to keep in mind when focus on such approach:
[09:34] {curtisweese} Like I look at SIRI right nowand I see it just dropped below 3.08 which looks to me like it will keep going down based on the chart. (based on my newbie learning of your teachings!) heheh
[09:34] {Threei} it requires observing particular stock to tgget a feel for how it trades,
[09:34] {Threei} and herein lies the danger:
[09:34] {Threei} at some point stock changes its behavior
[09:35] {curtisweese} Threei, I see. I have been only following this one stock for now since I'm so new..if it starts dropping all the time then I'm in trouble....
[09:35] {Threei} while a trader who got very famiiar with it believes he almost developed special relationship with it
[09:35] {Threei} so he refuses to change
[09:35] {Threei} hopes to sit out a loss
[09:35] {Threei} the rest of the story is well known and very sad
[09:36] {Threei} moral is simple... never fall inlove with stock
[09:36] {Threei} never marry it
[09:36] {Threei} never think you know everything about it
[09:36] {Threei} things change on a dime, roll with punches
[09:36] {dino} amag stopped
[09:36] {dino} done w/it
[09:37] {Threei} I knew people who traded one stock, or very limited basket of stocks
[09:37] {Threei} saw some of them falling into this trap
[09:38] {Threei} also, with stocks like SIRI and such big lots, make sure you have a broker that provides full ECN pass-through and learn to use it
[09:39] {Threei} will cut down commissions greatly
[09:39] {curtisweese} yeah, i saw that too. I'm using that ScottradeElite they have for people with $25k in the account....they swear it is instant execution even versus the direct ECN ....they probably are full of it, eh?
[09:40] {Threei} never used them, can't tell
[09:40] {Threei} but what I mean by pass-through is not even speed of execution
[09:40] {Threei} I am talking about broker passing ECN rebate onto you if you add liwuidity
[09:41] {Threei} liquidity
[09:41] {Threei} it's abig financial help with this type of trading
[09:41] {curtisweese} maybe i will babystep with the other one for a bit and then move over when i get my head on straight
[09:42] {Threei} sure, what's the rush
[09:42] {Threei} I can assure you, market is going to be there in a month or year or 10 years
[09:42] {curtisweese} move to the pass-thru ecn one i mean....this is so fun, but scary. I quit my other addicitions...hehehe.....
[09:42] {curtisweese} If the market is gone, then I guess we all have bigger problems!
[09:43] {Threei} lol
[09:44] {curtisweese} wow! was i right on that SIRI one!....i have been blown away at your course and that it really works right away. (don't worry, I'm not letting my ego get to me!)
[09:45] {Threei} my course works?
[09:45] {Threei} I have a course?
[09:45] {Chaeron} of course
[09:45] {curtisweese} hehe
[09:46] {Threei} never mind... lapse of brain activity
[09:46] {Threei} fed days tend to do that to you
[09:48] {Threei} I don't see CPTS news
[09:48] {Threei} what's with this piggy?
[09:50] {dino} vrad
[09:50] {Threei} I bet dino puts short at 18.50 right now
[09:51] {esemde} I'm otta here all have agreat rest of the day...
[09:51] {curtisweese} bye
[09:51] {Threei} take care ese
[09:51] {esemde} vad curtis
[09:52] {dino} lol 3i, its at 17.40
[09:52] {Threei} yes, so I figured you added a point for safety :)
[09:53] {dino} maybe i should
[09:53] {Threei} anyone sees any news for it?
[09:54] {Threei} .20 short if stays under .50, SMALL SHARES
[09:55] {Threei} invalidated
[09:55] {Threei} likely to spike over 18 now
[09:55] {dino} too soon, stopped .75 -.35
[09:56] {dino} amag getting crushed
[09:56] {curtisweese} now if i was playing SIRI for huge shares, i'd buy now at 3.07 and look for $.02
[09:57] {curtisweese} if i'm doing it right
[09:57] {curtisweese} and there is my .02! heheh :)
[09:57] {curtisweese} sell half and ride rest.....
[09:58] {curtisweese} or not... :( i'm such a newbie
[09:58] {Threei} observe curtis... don't rush
[09:58] {bruce} hly doodle - amag dino
[09:59] {Threei} so far it does what you envisioned
[09:59] {curtisweese} that's why i'm paper trading, sensei
[09:59] {curtisweese} lol
[09:59] {dino} pretty brutal, filling my scanner
[09:59] {Threei} at this rate AMAG will be $1 before the day end
[10:00] {dino} they were at a conference, but i cannot find anything else
[10:00] {Threei} {--- bidding 1.01
[10:00] {dino} cpts now vad s .50
[10:01] {Threei} stop over .80?
[10:01] {bruce} careful vad - you could lose bigon that trade
[10:01] {dino} .81
[10:01] {Threei} on what trade bruce?
[10:01] {dino} we missed couple pts
[10:01] {bruce} amag at 1 buck
[10:01] {bruce} lol
[10:01] {Threei} oh
[10:02] {Threei} no way
[10:02] {Threei} tier 1 firm will help me out
[10:02] {bruce} oh - lucky you
[10:02] {Threei} so far so good dino
[10:03] {dino} gj
[10:05] {Threei} bidding CPTS .95 for cover
[10:06] {dino} going lower imo
[10:06] {Threei} out
[10:06] {Threei} the rest is yours dino
[10:06] {dino} waiting at 16.40
[10:07] {dino} maybe not
[10:12] {dino} cov .00, +.50 cpts
[10:12] {dptl} rmbs short?
[10:14] {dino} brb
[10:16] {dptl} LaserDave dcc pls
[10:17] {Threei} not sure dp
[10:17] {Threei} it does feel like short to me
[10:17] {Threei} it's just that things become less and less certain as near feds time
[10:18] {dptl} ok thnx
[10:18] {Threei} can try .50 breakdown with stop over .60 but keep it small
[10:20] {dino} vad you take amag? what price?
[10:22] {Threei} AMAG? no
[10:22] {Threei} my bid at 1.01 never got hit {G}
[10:22] {dino} lol
[10:22] {bruce} shame vad
[10:22] {bruce} looked pretty reasonable for a bit there
[10:23] * dptl slaps LaserDave1 around a bit with a large trout
[10:23] {bruce} whats the news on amag - another guy jumping out of a helicopter?
[10:25] {Threei} FDA troubles bruce
[10:25] {Threei} need help dp?
[10:25] * Threei slaps LaserDave1 around a bit with a large trout
[10:25] {dptl} ty lol
[10:25] {bruce} k
[10:25] {dino} boards now saying not amag issue, but who knows
[10:26] {Chaeron} 13:26 01/30 *DJ John Edwards Announces He's Dropping Out Of US Pres Race
[10:26] {bruce} only her hairdresser knows for sure
[10:26] {Threei} there is or was conference call also AMAG
[10:27] {Threei} who knows what is said there
[10:27] {Threei} oh, it's tomorrow... even worse
[10:27] {Threei} guess what curtis... your SIRI idea works like charm
[10:29] {dino} cpts
[10:29] {Threei} XMSR some happiness
[10:30] {Threei} probably what pushes SIRI too
[10:34] {bruce} cvco dino?
[10:34] {curtisweese} Threei, that is the only stock i follow...hehe....
[10:35] {bruce} forget it - too thin
[10:35] {curtisweese} see the handle of the teacup on it?
[10:35] {Threei} yup
[10:36] {Threei} keep in mind that in order to add reliability to your SIRI read you need to watch what XMSR is doing
[10:36] {curtisweese} since i only need a $.02 or so shifts (or so i plan), it is great for me...high liquidity and constant fluctions of about $.10 and I believe it is on the upside, so trend is my friend....(or so i hope!!!..hahahaha)
[10:36] {curtisweese} that is great advice, Threei for sure...i haven't been diligent as much as I should with following XMSR....thanks!
[10:43] {curtisweese} 14 min till Armegeddon :)
[10:44] {Threei} 30... armageddon is at 2:15 today
[10:48] {dino} i need more patience, cpts got to 16.40
[10:49] {Threei} good read
[10:49] {curtisweese} greeeeeed lol
[10:49] {dino} abfs
[10:49] {bruce} bang - your cpst cover would have just triggered dino - nice read
[10:49] {dino} but i chickened out
[10:49] {bruce} you got .50 though - still nice - gret read
[10:49] {dino} ty
[10:50] {dino} bruce, oih, fslr, spwr, jaso
[10:50] {dino} all down big
[10:51] {bruce} yes - watching
[10:56] {lumdus} bruce, what we watching now ?
[10:57] {Threei} TV
[10:57] {lumdus} which show ?
[10:57] {curtisweese} cnbc for me
[10:57] {Threei} Feds Interrupted
[10:58] {dino} vh1
[10:59] {dptl} wierd russian show about zombies here
[10:59] {lumdus} i would take yrcw .. but i am not going to be "too chasey" .. love that phrase vad
[10:59] {Threei} lol dp
[10:59] {Threei} why do you need more zombies, there are enough of those in the market
[11:00] {dptl} :)
[11:00] {bruce} amag, hans, jec sigm among others lum
[11:00] {lumdus} any connection bruce ?
[11:00] {dino} fxre
[11:01] {bruce} just fair sized moves in them lum
[11:01] {dino} wow
[11:01] {lumdus} will take short nbr if it breaks 26.67
[11:01] {Threei} yesss
[11:02] {lumdus} yes what ?
[11:02] {Threei} nopw on top of all my Nigerian and Ivory Coast luck, guys from Sierra Leone want to give me 12.3 mil
[11:02] {Threei} just how much luck can one person have
[11:02] {dptl} lol
[11:02] {bruce} russian zombies are the worst dp
[11:03] {bruce} especially watch out for those w cats following
[11:03] {bruce} scary stuff
[11:03] {lumdus} i am lost , have no idea what you talking about
[11:03] {bruce} geesh lum
[11:03] {bruce} join the club
[11:03] {bruce} we're all lost
[11:03] {Threei} lol
[11:04] {Threei} come on lum... don't you know, nigerian guys running around, offering you big money...
[11:04] {bruce} our fearless leader is in coma
[11:04] {bruce} and we're just barely keeping him awake with trout slaps
[11:04] {Threei} my news supply has no FXRE symbol
[11:05] {Threei} can't check on news
[11:05] {Threei} but with this spread... no real need :)
[11:06] {Threei} bruce, I'll have to disappoint you
[11:06] {Threei} my coma is too deep and permanent to be broken with trout
[11:06] {bruce} I know vad
[11:06] {bruce} we gave up breaking it
[11:07] {bruce} just try to keep you from slipping into deeper coma
[11:07] {Threei} 6 min till popcorn time
[11:08] {lumdus} short NBR 26.67 stop 26.71
[11:10] {curtisweese} doh!
[11:11] {curtisweese} the tight stops are everything aren't they? such an easy thing to do in theory and sooooo hard in practice...grrrr
[11:11] {Threei} gets easier with practice
[11:11] {LaserDave1} here comes the market going nuts
[11:11] {lumdus} curit, i had tight stop because popcorn time.
[11:11] {lumdus} so i took .05 loss
[11:12] {curtisweese} lumdus, but that was a smart play....even though you lost a tad.....still smart exit!
[11:12] {Threei} keeping NVDA on screen as possible follower if I get read on market direction
[11:12] {lumdus} if it wasn't pop time i would have had stp 26.81
[11:12] {magoo} i minute.I CAN'T TAKE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[11:12] {dino} .50
[11:13] {magoo} hgalf
[11:13] {curtisweese} nice
[11:13] {lumdus} in xmsr 11.79
[11:13] {lumdus} stop 11.72
[11:13] {Threei} half point as expected
[11:13] * bruce slaps magoo around a bit with a large trout
[11:14] {bruce} sigm dino - nice pop
[11:14] {magoo} 1 vote rate change he wanted
[11:14] {Threei} short time IMO
[11:14] {dino} run it up 120, then to negative
[11:15] {magoo} aapl?
[11:15] {Threei} anything that follows market
[11:15] {Threei} NVDA, AAPL, RIMM... QID long
[11:15] {Threei} NVDA +.25 since short alert
[11:15] {lumdus} banks happy
[11:15] {Threei} .30
[11:16] {Threei} little bounce now, and short at will, this market is dead in the water, IMO
[11:17] {magoo} rimm nears day high
[11:17] {Threei} if chose NVDA for shorting, stop .21
[11:18] {lumdus} short grmn 69.85 stop 70.01
[11:18] {lumdus} ok, let's see if we dead in the water now
[11:19] {Threei} half out NVDA +.25
[11:19] {magoo} I'M TOO TOO NERVOUS
[11:19] {lumdus} stop on grmn 69.83 not taking a loss on this
[11:19] {Threei} stop .11
[11:19] {lumdus} me too magoo.
[11:20] {magoo} i'm kidding tho lol
[11:20] {lumdus} out grmn 69.73 +.10
[11:21] {magoo} vad, what entry u get nvda short?
[11:21] {Threei} .10 on bounce
[11:21] {Threei} missed first time
[11:21] {Threei} while typing alert, lol
[11:22] {magoo} rimm interesting here, not in
[11:22] {magoo} mkts up again
[11:22] {dino} l sm spwr .42
[11:22] {curtisweese} in SIRI 3.06
[11:23] {dino} theres my 120
[11:23] {curtisweese} nice
[11:24] {dino} out spwr 71.42, +1.00
[11:25] {dino} dwsn l .89
[11:26] {Threei} -Vote 9-1 for Target Rate (Fisher dissented, preferred rates unchanged); Discount Rate cut decision was unanimous
[11:26] {Threei} -Credit tightened further for business and households, sees "deepening contraction" in housing market slump, with softening in labor markets
[11:26] {Threei} - Fed in its statement says financial markets remain under considerable stress, Fed notes will act in timely manner as needed to address economic risks,
[11:26] {Threei} and rate cut should promote moderate growth, yet risks remain.
[11:26] {Threei} - Fed expects inflation to moderate in coming quarters
[11:28] {bruce} wow - rate cut last week - rate cut this week- stimulus package w refund to all taxpayers
[11:29] {Threei} can you say "running out of ammo"?
[11:29] {bruce} kind of smells of fear
[11:29] {Threei} can you say "inflation galore"?
[11:29] {bruce} when was last time we got tqax rebate vadster?
[11:29] {Threei} try never
[11:29] {bruce} yeppers
[11:29] {Threei} unless you are in Alberta and got "prospreity check"
[11:30] {bruce} ah - forgot about thqat one
[11:31] {bruce} changing topic _ I thought you didn't play first fomc move vad?
[11:31] {Threei} i didn't
[11:31] {Threei} I let it jump without me
[11:31] {bruce} k
[11:32] {Threei} bidding NVDA balance .65, stop to 25.01
[11:32] {dino} rbcn
[11:33] {Threei} actually
[11:33] {Threei} changing my mind
[11:33] {Threei} stop is 25.01 alright
[11:33] {dino} stopped dwsn -.40
[11:33] {Threei} cancelling cover
[11:33] {Threei} if I am right and market dies serious death now, it goes much lower
[11:34] {dino} dwsn, rinsed
[11:34] {Threei} .65 was reached... let's see now whether greed got better of me :)
[11:35] {lumdus} vad, but watch ho far grmn can fall. it knows alot better :)
[11:35] {Threei} yeah but I can't play size on GRMN
[11:36] {lumdus} vad, my xmsr still might work long for me. 11.79 was in with stop 11.72
[11:36] {Threei} lol... curtis guess what I just did
[11:36] {lumdus} hey, you never know
[11:36] {curtisweese} what?
[11:36] {Threei} scalped 2 cents on your beloved SIRI {G}
[11:37] {Threei} added liquidity on both entry and exit
[11:37] {Threei} almost commissions free trade
[11:37] {curtisweese} nice!!! hahah...i'm waiting for 3.10 since i'm only trading 650 shares during training. normally 2 is enough for me!
[11:37] {curtisweese} $.02 that is ;)
[11:38] {Threei} argh, could have whole 3 cents {G}
[11:38] {curtisweese} here comes .10...come on baby!!
[11:38] {Threei} ok, you are making a mistake here as far as training goes
[11:38] {curtisweese} oh..what
[11:38] {Threei} you have MPP already, no?
[11:39] {curtisweese} what is that? made profit?
[11:39] {Threei} it was mailed separately from the rest of package, so not sure it reached you yet
[11:39] {Threei} master profit plan book
[11:39] {curtisweese}
[11:39] {curtisweese} just got it...haven't checked it yet...after hours today
[11:39] {Threei} OK, practical trading part
[11:39] {lumdus} stop on xmsr b/e 11.79
[11:39] {Threei} decsribes how paper trading and small shares should be done
[11:40] {Threei} one of principles is,
[11:40] {Threei} trade as you would with real size
[11:40] {Threei} no adjustment for your current size, it defeats the purpose
[11:40] {Threei} you aim to learn how to trade with certain share size,
[11:40] {curtisweese} got you...and call fees tuition...
[11:41] {Threei} how do you learn it if you change your stops and targets for the "training size"
[11:41] {lumdus} curits, when you start trading for real. Post your trades, if you act stupid, you get slapped. . I am telling you will do very well
[11:42] {Threei} and if for no other reason... we will get a pleasure of slapping you
[11:42] {curtisweese} hahah
[11:43] {lumdus} yeah, but i am serious. vad will catch your mistake and you wont make it again.
[11:43] {curtisweese} cool!!!
[11:44] {Threei} die market
[11:44] {Threei} show dp what real zombies look like
[11:44] {lumdus} why you want it to die ? i need my xmsr to shoot the roof
[11:44] {Threei} ummm... because I am short NVDA
[11:44] * magoo slaps curtisweese around a bit with a large trout
[11:44] {dptl} lol
[11:45] {Threei} that's training slap curtis... wait till you start trading real size
[11:45] {curtisweese} well bought 650 siri at 3.06 and was holding to cover commissions with small amount of shares..... selling now at 3.09.....
[11:45] {curtisweese} sold!
[11:45] {curtisweese} $.03 scalp :)
[11:46] {magoo} vad, any read RIMM?
[11:46] {magoo} AAPL?
[11:46] {lumdus} common xmsr - why can't you just go up ?
[11:47] {Threei} hmmm
[11:47] {magoo} OY
[11:47] {Threei} conflicted a bit here mags
[11:47] {Threei} my strong feeling for the market is down
[11:47] {Threei} RIMM charts has no indication of setup
[11:48] {curtisweese} there goes SIRI
[11:48] {Threei} for short I mean
[11:48] {curtisweese} broke 3.10 resistance
[11:48] {curtisweese} is that right term for the top?
[11:48] {Threei} and I don't feel like going long on it
[11:48] {dino} c'mon 3i, how do you really feel
[11:48] {lumdus} stop on xmsr 11.83
[11:48] {magoo} vad, my minute charts of rimm and qqq are identical
[11:48] {lumdus} dino, i feel xmsr about to give me huuuuge
[11:49] {dino} lol
[11:49] {curtisweese} how do i tap into this "feel" technique?
[11:50] {bruce} curtis -
[11:50] {Threei} stopped NVDA balance
[11:50] {bruce} first you drink large quantities ofbeer and vodka
[11:50] {curtisweese} check!
[11:51] {bruce} then you get a cat that disconnecxts your internet connection for you
[11:51] {bruce} then you do terrible unspeakable things to a donkey
[11:52] {curtisweese} mule doesn't work, eh?
[11:52] {dino} lol
[11:53] {bruce} no\needs to be donkey
[11:53] {bruce} and youneed to attach a crayon to his tail
[11:53] {bruce} or maybe it's just his butt
[11:53] {bruce} vad can confirm
[11:54] {bruce} then you go into deep coma curtis
[11:54] {lumdus} stop on xmsr 11.87 not looking to hot
[11:54] {bruce} about that point you'll be ready for feel
[11:54] {Threei} short RIMM small
[11:54] {Threei} stop just above 95
[11:56] {magoo} in rimm vad.77
[11:56] {magoo} small
[11:56] {dino} xlf s .05, stop .21
[11:57] {magoo} stoppeed
[11:57] {magoo} 3 pm..sell or run to bell?
[11:57] {magoo} dunnop
[11:57] {Threei} no idea
[11:57] {lumdus} xmsr stop moved to 11.89 nice and tight
[11:57] {Threei} initial pereception was wrong
[11:58] {magoo} dunnop=dunno
[11:58] {magoo} i dunno either
[11:58] {bruce} tough to play rimm with such small stops
[11:58] {Threei} quite justified in this case bruce
[11:58] {magoo} well, with 200 or 300
[11:58] {magoo} can allow wiggle
[11:58] {bruce} understood - nice potential
[11:58] {bruce} I like it
[11:59] {bruce} was worth the try
[11:59] {magoo} everyone thought tank regarless of .25 or guess what? UP
[11:59] {magoo} could pullbk hard
[12:00] {dino} back in 10
[12:00] {bruce} nvda spike
[12:02] {lumdus} xmsr needs to break 12.00 now !!
[12:02] {lumdus} and no, no going down just for vad .. got that !
[12:03] {Threei} nope
[12:04] {lumdus} oh, vad xmsr .. when it goes through 12 i have good one
[12:04] {Threei} just did
[12:05] {lumdus} offering xmsr 13.75 .. ha haa
[12:06] {lumdus} stop on xmsr 11.94
[12:06] {dino} xlf stopped -.16
[12:07] {lumdus} vad, my 11.94 stop on xmsr ok ?
[12:08] {Threei} quite
[12:10] {dptl} nvda short?
[12:10] {Threei} doesn't look like that
[12:10] {Threei} holding near the high during market pullback
[12:10] {dptl} rght
[12:10] {dino} sm, s fxre .86
[12:11] {lumdus} stop on xmsr 11.97
[12:15] {lumdus} in sgp 19.45
[12:15] {lumdus} stop 19.35
[12:16] {dino} shpgy
[12:19] {lumdus} dino what is shpgy ?
[12:19] {dino} shire plc, drugs
[12:21] {bruce} clwr on break of 13 dino?
[12:21] {lumdus} stop on sgp 19.43 .. getting late in the day
[12:22] {curtisweese} in on xmsr at 12.00
[12:23] {lumdus} xmsr you fail 12.00 and i say goodbye
[12:26] {dino} cycc
[12:30] {curtisweese} DOH! hehe...i accidently sold xmsr at the same price i bought it for.....tuition
[12:32] {lumdus} sgp new stop 19.45 (b/e)
[12:33] {dino} clwr long bruce?
[12:34] {bruce} thats what I thought dino
[12:34] {bruce} not relly moving at moment though
[12:35] {dino} y stuck, but a break yes
[12:36] {bruce} moving now
[12:36] {dino} goig for negative
[12:36] {dino} going
[12:36] {Threei} enough time for Dow to go red?
[12:36] {lumdus} out xmsr 11.99 + .20
[12:37] {dino} yes
[12:37] {dino} gj lum
[12:38] {lumdus} tx dino. still in my last trade for the day (per my rules) sgp 19.45 stop b/e maybe i get some who knows
[12:38] {magoo} u like nvda short
[12:39] {Threei} no
[12:39] {Threei} lost mobility
[12:39] {Threei} too narrow
[12:40] {curtisweese} buying SIRI at $3.09 for $.02 end of day scalp :) ( at least i'm thinking $.02)
[12:40] {dino} you talking about magoo's lack of mobility?
[12:40] {Threei} lol
[12:40] {curtisweese} uh oh...not is going wrong way.....
[12:40] {magoo} as i drive by dinos office on a new rascal mobilitynscooter
[12:41] {dino} i'd like to see you doing that\
[12:41] {bruce} wow - bet you look real cool on it mags
[12:41] {bruce} you got a helmet for it?
[12:42] {bruce} and a nice basket
[12:42] {bruce} gotta have a basket
[12:42] {dino} lol
[12:42] {magoo} i have a bell
[12:42] {patience} a beer basket
[12:42] {dino} indeed
[12:43] {dino} i think george castanzza had one
[12:43] {Threei} red
[12:43] {dino} dji negative vad
[12:43] {Threei} yup
[12:43] {lumdus} common sgp, you can go up
[12:43] {bruce} can carry geritol in the basket too
[12:43] {dino} he's not "that" old
[12:44] {bruce} lol
[12:44] {bruce} never hurts to be prepared
[12:45] {bruce} pretty wild moves - up then down
[12:45] {lumdus} ok, done out sgp 19.48 +.03
[12:45] {dino} ndaq and nyx taking a beating today
[12:45] {lumdus} have a good evening all - great day in the room
[12:46] {bruce} night lum
[12:46] {dino} later lum, gj
[12:46] {dino} hate to do it but...dieeeeeeee fxre
[12:48] {bruce} xl dino 2 buck dump
[12:48] {bruce} 3 actaul;ly
[12:48] {LaserDave1} hey guys if you are using laser
[12:48] {LaserDave1} please use ARCA
[12:49] {LaserDave1} have route out arca checked
[12:49] {dino} cov fxre .39, +.47
[12:49] {magoo} why dave?
[12:49] {magoo} been bad quotes
[12:50] {dino} calling it a day, double daily
[12:51] {Threei} thank you all
[12:51] {Threei} have a good evening, see you tomorrow
[12:51] {bruce} congrats dino
[12:51] {magoo} vad, whats dave trying tio do?
[12:51] {magoo} with arca
[12:51] {bruce} thanx vad
[12:51] {dino} thx for ideas bruce
[12:51] {dptl} have a good evening all
[12:52] {dino} take care all
[12:55] {bruce} welcome dino
[13:02] {bruce} night everyone