Thursday, November 19, 2009

Nov 19 2009

Uneven start for the day - somethings worked, some didn't... and then along came WMT with nice breakout that gave us almost 50 cents. That made a day worth living - as far as trading goes.

Session Time: Thu Nov 19 00:00:00 2009

[05:17] {KSystems} Good morning crowd
[05:17] {KSystems} Yes yes, autographs will come after the show
[05:17] {KSystems} make sure to line up early enough!
[05:17] {KSystems} Thank you, thank you.
[08:04] {Les} oink oink! ACHOO!
[08:04] {nemo} go home...don't infect us
[08:05] {Les} are markets sufficiently infected today that we're going to make money?
[08:05] {nemo} trade what you see not what you think
[08:07] {Les} good slogan comrade, but from your experience are futures ugly enough to make some good moves today?
[08:08] {nemo} always bounce plays and inverse etfs
[08:08] {nemo} Vad made a killing last fall when the market was falling apart
[08:09] {Les} that's what I wanna hear...
[08:12] {KSystems} S&P fut down 9.00 so far, DJ -65
[08:12] {KSystems} morning
[08:12] {KSystems} and nasdaq fut -12.75 to complete the list
[08:13] {nemo} na ja, Tag Herrn K
[08:13] {KSystems} hi nemo
[08:21] {nemo} Mmmmhhhh....Where's Czar Vad?
[08:27] {Threei} (US) Preview: Initial Jobless Claims and Continuing Claims due out at 8:30amET
[08:27] {Threei} - Expectations for initial claims are 504K v prior release of 502K (range seen from 485K to 550K)
[08:27] {Threei} - Continuing claims seen at 5.598M v prior 5.631M (range seen from 5.350M to 5.700M)
[08:27] {Threei} ***Reminder: the last sub 500K reading in initial claims was back in early Jan 2009
[08:30] {nemo} So what's that make, 22million jobs lost this year?
[08:30] {Threei} US) INITIAL JOBLESS CLAIMS: 505K V 504KE; CONTINUING CLAIMS: 5.611M V 5.598KE
[08:30] {Threei} ummm... hoorrraaaay?
[08:30] {nemo} yep...yipee
[08:31] {Threei} meanwhile, canadaian real estate smashed records in October
[08:31] {Threei} believe it or not
[08:33] {nemo} gme up big
[08:39] {Threei} GME Reports Q3 $0.31 v $0.30e, R$1.83B v $1.7Be
[08:39] {Threei} - Affirms Q4 EPS $1.47-1.65 v $1.57e (prior $1.47-1.65)
[08:39] {Threei} - Guides Q4 SSS -7% to -1%
[09:03] {fernp} Good morning everybody
[09:03] {Threei} fern :)
[09:05] {strider} morning all.:)
[09:06] {Threei} strider :)
[09:06] {strider} NTES, GYMB
[09:07] {strider} MRVL
[09:08] {strider} vad:)
[09:10] {cosmo} HOTT pre mkt high = 5.98 fwiw
[09:11] {cosmo} ....maybe 6....
[09:12] {Threei} HealthPort IPO reportedly postponed due to market conditions
[09:12] {Threei} - Note that on 10/21 the company set pricing range for IPO at $14-16/shr
[09:12] {Threei} ***Note: HealthPort is a leading provider of healthcare information services and technology solutions to approximately 1,900 hospitals and health systems and 8,000 independent and hospital-affiliated physician clinics. Our primary business is providing outsourced technology-enabled release-of-information services to our customers, which we refer to as ROI.
[09:12] {ese} morning
[09:13] {Threei} ese :)
[09:14] {lasertrev} gm
[09:14] {ese} LT
[09:14] {Threei} trev :)
[09:14] {lasertrev} :)
[09:14] {BillyD} GM all
[09:15] {lasertrev} hi Billy
[09:15] {BillyD} trev :)
[09:16] {Threei} Billy :)
[09:19] {dino} gm all
[09:20] {strider} dino:)
[09:20] {ese} mornin dino.....vad whats on your radar?
[09:20] {ese} ST
[09:20] {strider} ese
[09:20] {strider} I see DRYS has bought two new ships.
[09:20] {dino} healthpoint, mkt conditions? lol
[09:21] {ese} oil drilling ships
[09:21] {Threei} dino :)
[09:21] {Threei} keeping an eye on FITB, ese
[09:22] {ese} tks......same here
[09:22] {strider} also, re: shipping:
[09:27] {ese} interesting article st
[09:29] {strider} I thought the Baltic dry index showed shipping was UP, not down. What don't I understand (a lot)?
[09:29] {magoo} morn
[09:29] {Threei} up a little
[09:29] {Threei} magoo :)
[09:30] {ese} i don't try to understand it's the old trade what you see
[09:30] {ese} thong
[09:31] {Threei} NLST lost its mind again
[09:31] {BillyD} yeah, everyday
[09:31] {strider} ntes
[09:32] {BillyD} watching SZR]
[09:32] {BillyD} SRZ
[09:34] {Threei} HIG
[09:34] {Threei} watching for long into this pullback
[09:34] {Threei} .80 if stays above .70
[09:35] {Threei} and FITB
[09:35] {Threei} .05 if stays above 10
[09:36] {Threei} HIG invalidated but the idea remains, just hunting for better entry
[09:37] {ese} fitb will head dn vad
[09:37] {Threei} .60
[09:37] {strider} short NTES .50
[09:37] {Threei} if holding above .50
[09:37] {fernp} stopped FITB
[09:38] {BillyD} FITB still valid right
[09:38] {Threei} yes
[09:39] {ese} still looking for rimm to get to my no brainer buy point ...$50
[09:39] {strider} stop .ntes .60
[09:39] {Threei} HIG .55 if holding .40
[09:41] {Threei} Preview: Nov Philadelphia Fed Index due out at 10amET
[09:41] {Threei} **consensus expectation: 12.2e v 11.5 prior
[09:41] {Threei} Preview: Q3 US Mortgage Delinquencies due out at 10amET
[09:41] {Threei} **no estimate, prior quarter (Q2) was 9.24% ( highest reading on record)
[09:41] {Threei} Preview: Oct Leading Indicators due out at 10amET
[09:41] {Threei} **consensus expectation: 0.4%e v 1.0% prior (range of analyst estimates from 0.0% to 0.9%
[09:44] {BillyD} bounce mkt
[09:45] {Threei} no worky HIG
[09:45] {strider} stop HIG -.21
[09:45] {ese} not today i don't think billy
[09:46] {BillyD} just a little one for FITB
[09:47] {Les} fas dropping, so short entry for fitb?
[09:47] {nemo} DE short candidate if can't get above .90
[09:48] {cosmo} holi
[09:48] {dino} watch 5's and 0's imo strikes in play
[09:48] {Threei} I wouldn't try to short FITB
[09:48] {ese} imo.....i don't see any direction for fitb
[09:49] {BillyD} FITB holding stroong
[09:49] {ese} me either......technically it's got a really good looking daily chart
[09:49] {fernp} FITB more than a scalp, Vad?
[09:49] {Threei} if onlty market regains some stength, yes
[09:49] {fernp} tks
[09:50] {fernp} Im out here. TY
[09:50] {Threei} welcome
[09:50] {Threei} I'll try for more
[09:50] {ese} agreed
[09:51] {Threei} relative strength is impressive on it
[09:51] {Threei} salmon candidate
[09:52] {Les} and the other banks: BAC up, WFC down?
[09:52] {Les} what gives?
[09:52] {Threei} who knows
[09:53] {BillyD} out FITB here
[09:53] {BillyD} ty
[09:53] {BillyD} 1:1
[09:53] {Threei} sure thing
[09:53] {BillyD} mkt relentless
[09:54] {fernp} I would like to reload FITB. Good moment here, Vad?
[09:54] {Threei} as close to 10 as possible...
[09:55] {Threei} but we have numbers in a few minutes
[09:55] {fernp} ok. small shares...
[09:55] {strider} cover NTES +.61 sm
[09:55] {Threei} (US) Commercial Paper outstanding w/w: +$28.5B v -$76.6B prior; total CP Outstanding: $1.1685T
[09:55] {Threei} - Asset-Backed CP outstanding w/w +14.0B v +$9.1B prior
[09:56] {dino} vrus holds
[09:57] {Threei} Short Setup: RIMM .40 half lot
[09:57] {magoo} numbers in 1 min
[09:57] {fernp} ty
[09:57] {strider} missed it
[09:58] {ese} missed it
[09:58] {Threei} now let's wait for numbers
[09:59] {BillyD} what was stop on RIMM .60
[09:59] {Threei} .50 break long for TIMM, .40 break short - AFTER numbers
[09:59] {Threei} RIMM
[09:59] {Threei} .50 billy
[10:00] {BillyD} ok, wasn't sure so never entered
[10:00] {Threei} US) OCT LEADING INDICATORS: 0.3% V 0.4%E
[10:00] {Threei} NOV PHILADELPHIA FED INDEX: 16.7 V 12.2E
[10:00] {Threei} *(US) Q3 MORTGAGE DELINQUENCIES: 9.64% V 9.24% PRIOR
[10:00] {Threei} mix...
[10:01] {Threei} short side triggered on RIMM and 1:1 in a blink of eye
[10:01] {Les} bac short on .30 trigger?
[10:02] {Threei} yes
[10:02] {Threei} stop above .35 for scalpers, .40 day traders
[10:03] {strider} +.07 for RIMM....too jerky for me this morning.
[10:03] {strider} +.05
[10:05] {Threei} market refuses to sell
[10:06] {Les} jec short 37?
[10:06] {fernp} BAC breaking down
[10:07] {Threei} I don't see much significance to 37 right now on JEC
[10:08] {Threei} Long Setup: RIMM .50 break
[10:09] {Threei} if holding .40 of course
[10:09] {Threei} let's make it asgreesive
[10:09] {Threei} .45 break
[10:10] {Threei} half out
[10:10] {magoo} missed it dammit
[10:10] {nemo} me too
[10:14] {BillyD} VAD, HIG at .40 maybe but mkt needs to move it
[10:14] {Threei} second half stopped RIMM
[10:14] {Threei} I like it billy
[10:14] {BillyD} .30 stop
[10:15] {Threei} and invalidation, yes
[10:15] {fernp} out BAC
[10:15] {Threei} alternatively, if market starts ypticking and HIG delays, you can use it as aggressive entry
[10:16] {Threei} wtg fern
[10:16] {Threei} nice breakdown
[10:16] {magoo} NLST nuts
[10:16] {fernp} was your call and Les spot TY to you
[10:16] {strider} I'm out BAC also, only got +.05
[10:16] {strider} long candle scared me.
[10:16] {Threei} US) Treasury Sec Geithner: Pace of US job losses has been lessening -testimony
[10:16] {Threei} idiot
[10:17] {strider} FITB inverse c&h
[10:18] {BillyD} I find myself hesitant right now on any stock, no direction
[10:19] {nemo} .30 key support for HIG
[10:19] {fernp} HIG .40 break w/stop under .30 is the play, no?
[10:19] {Les} amen to that. someone's holding up the train.
[10:19] {Threei} yes
[10:19] {fernp} k
[10:19] {dino} patience nemo, our kill will come
[10:19] {BillyD} well said dino
[10:20] {nemo} plenty...this action been too fast...I missed RIMM when it couldn't hold above 59.40, and then stood aside
[10:20] {patience} i'm sulking because i didn't lock in a decent profit today. Up $200 bucks so far....whine, whine, whine
[10:20] {dino} nemo 5+ hours left, relax
[10:20] {nemo} no problem
[10:20] {nemo} fast action gives me gray hair
[10:21] {Threei} IMO, bounce is coming
[10:21] {dino} kids give me gray
[10:21] {nemo} Chardonnay patience?
[10:22] {nemo} please don't tell me White Zin
[10:22] {Les} wfc? with bounce behined would help
[10:22] {ese} what are you in patience?
[10:22] {dino} ok, watching jec, cnqr, ady, ctrp, dish, gww
[10:22] {dino} ltd
[10:22] {patience} yamana gold
[10:23] {ese} ahhh
[10:23] {Threei} WFC, HIG, yes
[10:24] {strider} fas looking good
[10:24] {strider} long .40
[10:26] {magoo} l NLST .80
[10:26] {magoo} thinking over 6
[10:26] {dino} shaw holds well
[10:28] {magoo} stop it .59
[10:29] {Threei} this is one scary headline on CNN:
[10:29] {Threei} Women are confused and angry
[10:29] {Threei} I fewel more intimidated than by whole financial crisis
[10:30] {magoo} no kidding
[10:30] {nemo} oh...they must be talking only to married ones
[10:30] {Threei} November survey estimates new auto sales -15% m/m
[10:30] {Threei} - "November is living up to its reputation for being one of the worst months of the year for car sales, so everyone is hopeful that Thanksgiving weekend will boost the numbers," commented Senior Analyst Jessica Caldwell
[10:30] {magoo} who the hex goes out on thanxgiving and buys a car?
[10:31] {Threei} lol
[10:31] {Threei} Market Internals update at 10:30amET
[10:31] {Threei} - NYSE volume 250M shares, about 11% below its three-month average; decliners lead advancers by 17.8:1.
[10:31] {Threei} - NASDAQ volume 550M shares, about even to its three-month average; decliners lead advancers by 6.5:1.
[10:31] {Threei} - VIX index +10.5% to just under 24.00
[10:31] {Threei} this may kill the market if taken seriously:
[10:31] {Threei} IMF: Will not launch special study on SDR's replacing USD as reserve currency
[10:32] {Threei} - USD to remain key resere currency for many years/decades
[10:32] {Threei} - USD safe haven status sign of its strong demand
[10:32] {dino} lol magoo 2 years ago i ded
[10:32] {dino} did
[10:32] {Threei} careful with longs huys
[10:33] {Threei} let's trail HIG to under .35
[10:33] {BillyD} my exact thought
[10:33] {Threei} I don't think many take this jawboning seriously
[10:34] {Threei} but if they do for a change, USAD will jump
[10:34] {Threei} and market will tank
[10:34] {dino} it's a fool me once thing 3i
[10:35] {Threei} well, with USD being sold down as it is, not much needed to prop the bounce
[10:36] {strider} fas spike
[10:36] {Threei} move your butt HIG
[10:36] {BillyD} 1:1 or partial Vad on HIG
[10:37] {Threei} I am tron about it
[10:37] {Threei} torn
[10:37] {nemo} ol movie
[10:37] {nemo} old
[10:37] {BillyD} not much folow thru confidence so far
[10:37] {Threei} nothing but scalps worked today so far
[10:37] {magoo} freaking last week only scalps
[10:37] {dino} slxp
[10:38] {Threei} so be thankful we know how to scalp - beause this is the ONLY thing that works in such market
[10:38] {dino} fwlt hl l .52, stop .23
[10:38] {Threei} what do those who don't scalp do?
[10:38] {Les} fas looking ready to b/d
[10:38] {magoo} well, the buy and holders made a killing
[10:39] {Threei} not in the last month
[10:39] {Threei} or couple weeks
[10:39] {Threei} and don't forget, first they got killed
[10:39] {dino} slxp? up on secondary?
[10:39] {Threei} how many buy and holders entered their buys in March?
[10:39] {magoo} true, probably not even yet
[10:40] {Threei} this is the only thing I see on it dino
[10:40] {magoo} l rimm .30 btw
[10:41] {Threei} this is main problem with buy and hold... it looks nice during upward phase, but works only if your timing concides with market scles - yet the mantra for buy-and-hold is, do not try to time the market
[10:42] {Les} i've got motley fool promising everything but a new car if i sign back up
[10:42] {Les} I think mum and dad investors get it
[10:42] {Les} about buy and hold
[10:42] {magoo} hold out fr the vehicle
[10:42] {Les} :D
[10:43] {nemo} you're overestimating common sense les
[10:43] {dino} same vad
[10:44] {fernp} FITB was strong? :-)
[10:44] {dino} hl l shaw .10, stop .83
[10:44] {Threei} wasn't it?
[10:44] {strider} HIG pu...lees
[10:44] {magoo} still like NLST...just keep the stop
[10:45] {magoo} takes 6 prob goes like 6.17-.27 area
[10:45] {magoo} lil mkt help
[10:47] {strider} hig -.07
[10:47] {magoo} i hate HIG
[10:47] {magoo} said it before
[10:47] {ese} if your more of a long person like to just sit back and watch the scenery go by......let everyone else participate in the desvastation
[10:47] {strider} I'm getting on your boat, magoo
[10:47] {fernp} HIG what are you doing, man???? out
[10:47] {magoo} seems we lose lot more than win on it
[10:48] {magoo} plus, its a stupid donkey
[10:48] {Threei} you hate HIG, fern hates RIMM... if I incorporate all your passions, I'll run out of stocks to call
[10:48] {ese} aptly described
[10:48] {strider} There's always GE :)
[10:48] {Threei} very not true mags
[10:48] {magoo} i know, plus i like rimm , so what can u do
[10:48] {Threei} HIG worked for us for weeks like a faithful slave
[10:48] {dino} i hate appl
[10:48] {fernp} focus on AGAM, Vad
[10:49] {Threei} lol
[10:49] {nemo} was always great once it penetrated resistance
[10:50] {Les} jec now?
[10:51] {Threei} I don't have any setup on it
[10:52] {strider} nlst short at .70 break?
[10:52] {BillyD} not shortable
[10:52] {BillyD} Laser
[10:52] {strider} thx
[10:53] {fernp} FITB double bottom, Vad?
[10:53] {Threei} not really
[10:55] {ilana} RIMM .40 break?
[10:56] {Threei} only if market starts gaining strength... which so far is not the case
[10:56] {Threei} and doesn't look probable nearest time
[10:59] {Threei} Short Setup: GLD .05
[10:59] {Threei} stop above .15 for scaslpers, .20 for day traders
[11:00] {Threei} this is interesting:
[11:00] {Threei} US) Treasury Sec Geithner: Reiterates opinion that he is against re-instating Glass-Stegal Act
[11:00] {Threei} I'd like to hear the reasoning
[11:01] {nemo} stopped
[11:01] {fernp} stopped
[11:03] {BillyD} SOLF keeps heading north
[11:04] {Threei} I hate GLD
[11:04] {magoo} i hate trading
[11:04] {Threei} BXMNF is probably the only stock I'll have remaining to call
[11:05] {Les} MA breaking out
[11:05] {BillyD} RIMM off 58 with some consolidation
[11:06] {dino} lol rep burgess to geithner, "i don't think you should quit, you shouldn't have been hired"
[11:07] {magoo} nlst stopped
[11:09] {Threei} 1:1 GLD
[11:10] {fernp} cruel
[11:10] {nemo} very
[11:10] {strider} partial GLD +.09
[11:11] {Threei} I agree with Burgess
[11:11] {dino} v going to join ma?
[11:11] {Threei} but I really want to know what was so wrong with Glass-Steagal
[11:13] {strider} out balance GLD +.10
[11:16] {dino} ctrp hl l .98
[11:22] {magoo} .
[11:22] {BillyD} ssshhh....I am trying to find a setup out of the 20K potential stocks
[11:23] {BillyD} amazing how it can see m difficult ayt times
[11:23] {dino} 3i in answer to your question....too much glass
[11:23] {Threei} and not enough steagal?
[11:24] {dino} has to do w/thev old glass houses and name calling
[11:25] {fernp} YGE valid dbi, Vad?
[11:26] {Threei} a bit too narrow...
[11:26] {dino} ctrp stop is .66 fwiw
[11:26] {fernp} ok tjhanks
[11:29] {BillyD} Vad, I know your feelings on SOLF, but nice chart
[11:30] {Threei} I just don't have a read on it
[11:31] {Threei} this slow grind is not something I can grasp
[11:31] {fernp} WMT, Vad
[11:31] {BillyD} torture
[11:31] {fernp} C&H
[11:31] {Threei} WMT looks potentially explosive
[11:31] {Threei} .15 would be a long trigger
[11:32] {fernp} C&H against the market
[11:32] {fernp} ok. thanks
[11:36] {dino} ctrp stopped -.34
[11:37] {Threei} I would feel more comfortable with shorting SOLF at .95 breakdown than with long
[11:37] {Threei} if stays under 7 of course
[11:37] {BillyD} Vad, do you call GLD on its own merit or opposite of some other mkt component
[11:37] {BillyD} makes sense SOLF
[11:38] {Threei} on it's own and with market
[11:38] {Threei} why opposite
[11:38] {BillyD} wasn't is GOLd stock right?
[11:38] {Threei} market was selling dow, dollar was upticking
[11:38] {Threei} it's gold ETF
[11:38] {nemo} gld
[11:38] {nemo} sorry
[11:39] {BillyD} does GLD follow the mkt normally
[11:39] {dino} ctrp may want that oct gap 66.20s
[11:39] {nemo} been following $ lately
[11:39] {Threei} lately yes, as long as they both act inversely to USD
[11:39] {nemo} yes
[11:39] {BillyD} ok
[11:41] {strider} gme
[11:41] {BillyD} OPTT
[11:41] {Threei} OPTT Hearing firm has won 50MW order from EDF unit (10.18, +0.54, 5.60%)
[11:41] {Threei} this is momo candidate
[11:42] {Threei} OPTT Hearing firm has won 50MW order from EDF unit in Spain
[11:42] {Threei} - Speculation that the deal is worth $70-80M to OPTT, which would make it the largest order ever. (10.18, +0.54, 5.60%)
[11:42] {Threei} OPTT knows how to run
[11:42] {Threei} 11 easy
[11:42] {nemo} might want to keep an eye on ntap, gapped up and has maintained strength
[11:43] {BillyD} yes, buy and pray at this point but I can not do it
[11:44] {Threei} mags??
[11:44] {Threei} 11
[11:44] {magoo} sigh
[11:44] {fernp} .15 or .10 break WMT, Vad?
[11:45] {Threei} .15 fern, two days and annual high break
[11:45] {fernp} ty
[11:52] {Threei} Among the smartest and most promising not to mention controversial proposals is "climate debt," the idea that rich countries should pay reparations to poor countries for the climate crisis.
[11:52] {Threei} yup, let's do it
[11:52] {nemo} who the hell came up with that?
[11:52] {strider} why not. You start, vad.
[11:53] {Threei} I did strider
[11:53] {strider} :)
[11:53] {Threei} I sold my OPTT at .83, and not at 11,
[11:53] {Threei} which is 17 cents sacrifice to poor countries
[11:53] {strider} bidding OPPT at.26
[11:54] {Threei} oh and to answer nemo's question Naomi Klein
[11:54] {strider} not likely to get hit.
[11:54] {Threei} AIG Reportedly Senator Bachus (R) has requested hearings on AIG bailout
[11:54] {strider} WMT consolidating
[11:55] {BillyD} Vad, where was your OPTT entry
[11:55] {Threei} .20
[11:55] {Threei} right after I posted news
[11:55] {BillyD} nice one
[11:55] {Threei} I keep an eye on this thing for a long time
[11:56] {BillyD} it's a runner
[11:56] {Threei} it has a history of enormous runs
[11:56] {nemo} I missed that in the reboot. where at 9.20?
[11:56] {BillyD} enter on momo feel
[11:56] {Threei} and gets more and more big orders
[11:56] {Threei} I wish nemo... 10.20
[11:57] {Threei} hot field, and OPTT has it all to itself it seems
[11:57] {magoo} u out?
[11:57] {Threei} [11:53] {Threei} I sold my OPTT at .83
[11:57] {BillyD} was your stop at 10 or.90
[11:57] {Threei} under 10
[11:57] {Threei} but if I got stopped I'd be looking for reentry
[11:58] {Threei} this stock has a few waves of momo usually
[11:58] {magoo} think it haas more coming? only game in town today so far
[11:58] {ese} l fitb .07
[11:58] {Threei} treat it like usual momos mags...
[11:58] {Threei} see if we get big enough drop
[11:59] {Threei} and beware breakouts
[11:59] {Threei} ese... today I hate FITB
[12:00] {Threei} new terminology comes in play
[12:00] {Threei} climate debt and climate reparations
[12:00] {fernp} if triggers WMT what is the stop? under 54?
[12:00] {Threei} yes
[12:00] {fernp} ty
[12:01] {Threei} and with any market help it should be much more than scalp
[12:01] {ese} ya am starting to think that
[12:02] {nemo} rim .40 break...important level
[12:02] {Threei} an advocate for Maasai tribespeople in Kenya who have lost at least 5 million cattle to drought in recent years, puts it in even sharper terms. "The Maasai community does not drive 4x4s or fly off on holidays in airplanes," she says. "We have not caused climate change, yet we are the ones suffering. This is an injustice and should be stopped right now."
[12:02] {Threei} why oh why did I ever learn how to read
[12:02] {nemo} fine when we nuke the killer asteroid, they can owe us for eternity
[12:03] {Threei} let me post the most relecant news for today:
[12:03] {Threei} relevant
[12:03] {dino} perhaps they should did a well or two
[12:03] {Threei} no dino, they think we should dig those for them
[12:04] {Threei} 'cause we owe them, you know
[12:04] {dino} that's the problem
[12:04] {dino} it's not my fault
[12:04] {Threei} my philosphical thought for the day:
[12:05] {Threei} Feel of guilt is major warfare of the left
[12:05] {dino} exactly
[12:05] {dino} hey, i found out who john galt is
[12:05] {Threei} hehe
[12:06] {Threei} took just about what, 1200 pages?
[12:06] {ese} out fitb .04 =.03
[12:06] {dino} 700 or so
[12:06] {Threei} wanna make you a bet dino
[12:06] {dino} still have 400 to go, just order the other book
[12:06] {Threei} while it's a pageturner during reading,
[12:07] {Threei} in a month or two you will still have a lot of appreciation for the message but will cool off abolut literary side
[12:07] {Threei} as in writing quality
[12:07] {dino} perhaps, but i have to say it fits our times, can see it happening
[12:08] {Threei} that's the message part :)_
[12:08] {Threei} it was even more striking when I read it, as it had one-two punch
[12:08] {Threei} first I saw total reflection of everything that killed USSR
[12:08] {dino} you lived it
[12:08] {Threei} and then I saw the same thing starting to develop here
[12:09] {Threei} both similarities are so striking
[12:09] {dino} unfortunately
[12:09] {Threei} a lot of slogans and mottos and common expressions she uses in the book are almost word in word what we heard in USSR
[12:10] {dino} when was it written?
[12:10] {dino} 50s?
[12:10] {Threei} 1967
[12:10] {Threei} first publishing
[12:10] {dino} ok
[12:11] {Threei} was written for a while of course, but here is the kicker that continues to amaze me by its incredinble and bitter irony:
[12:11] {Threei} Alan Greenspan was one of the closest circle people at the time of its wqriting, and was getting each new chapter as it was finished
[12:12] {dino} wow, he learned nothing from it
[12:12] {fernp} .
[12:13] {Threei} Ayn with her "gold is the only money", and her first student Alan later praised as "who needs gold when you have Greenspan"
[12:13] {dino} shaw stopped -.27
[12:13] {Threei} and whole interventionist policies
[12:13] {Threei} that she would kill him for
[12:14] {dino} guilt pressure
[12:16] {Threei} after .20 break WMT stop can be trailed
[12:16] {BillyD} to .10?
[12:16] {Threei} to under .05 or .10, your choice... depends on your (im)patience
[12:16] {BillyD} lol
[12:17] {Threei} here is a total beauty:
[12:17] {Threei} Two years ago, Ecuador's center-left president, Rafael Correa, said something very rare for the leader of an oil-exporting nation: He wanted to leave the oil in the ground. But, he argued, wealthy countries should pay Ecuador where half the population lives in poverty not to release that carbon into the atmosphere, as "compensation for the damages caused by the out-of-proportion amount of historical and current emissions of greenhouse gases."
[12:17] {Threei} think about it: he wants to get paid not for oil but just for having it,
[12:17] {Threei} so he will have money and keep his oil
[12:18] {patience} must be a lawyer
[12:18] {Threei} so, do you think this caused major laughter in the world?
[12:19] {Threei} think again:
[12:19] {nemo} I'm sure western europe was all for it
[12:19] {Threei} the plan has generated widespread international support. Germany has already offered $70 million a year for 13 years, and several other European governments have expressed interest in participating. If Yasun is saved, it will demonstrate that climate debt isn't just a disguised ploy for more aid it's a far more credible solution to the climate crisis than the ones we have now. "This initiative needs to succeed," says Atossa Soltani, executive director of Amazon Watch. "I think we can set a model for other countries."
[12:19] {dino} well whats the difference from the guy who doesn't want to work but gets health, housing, food stamps etc
[12:19] {fernp} .
[12:20] {nemo} It's like NKorea threatening with a nuclear's frickin CO2 blackmail
[12:20] {dino} and yet, temps are dropping...
[12:21] {nemo} Ya' know...2012 is sounding better all the time...wipe the idiots out, and start again
[12:21] {BillyD} what to say
[12:21] {Threei} is it going to be intellect-based selection?
[12:21] {dino} just worried that "rush" might be right w.2112
[12:21] {Threei} well, no difference for me anyway, I won't survive it anyway
[12:22] {nemo} that was based on Rand's "Anthem"
[12:22] {dino} wow, did not know
[12:22] {nemo} Absolutely...Neil Peart is a Randian
[12:23] {nemo} Back in the days of vinyl, on the dust jacket, it said "Dedicated to the genius of Ayn Rand"
[12:24] {dino} cool
[12:25] {dino} shaw takes me out by 2 cents
[12:26] {nemo} go to "Career before joining Rush"
[12:27] {patience} gold stocks perking up
[12:29] {nemo} look at fcx patience
[12:31] {patience} similar to yri which has had some better peaks and valleys to scalp
[12:33] {Threei} so far, bull flag formed on WMT
[12:33] {Threei} volume went down as it should
[12:33] {Threei} need to start completing it now for the trade to develop successfully
[12:38] {magoo} AWIAV?
[12:39] {Threei} WMT
[12:39] {Threei} and this spike is exactly what I want to see as completion of bull flag, just need a new high now
[12:42] {fernp} having problems with my connection. Connecting and disconnecting continuously
[12:42] {Threei} I noticed fern
[12:42] {Threei} quotes OK?
[12:42] {fernp} yes
[12:42] {Threei} well, this is funny
[12:42] {Threei} you have fine connection with server in NA
[12:43] {Threei} but week one with server in Europe
[12:43] {fernp} yes. I use a different internet provider for my laptop (RT room) and for my PC (Laser)
[12:44] {Threei} new high WMT
[12:44] {Threei} trail stop
[12:44] {fernp} .05 is correct?
[12:44] {strider} yesterday's high & close, .25
[12:45] {Threei} [12:16] {Threei} to under .05 or .10, your choice... depends on your (im)patience
[12:45] {fernp} lol ok
[12:49] {fernp} no strider, yest's high was .15 that was the reason we opened the trade at .16
[12:49] {Les} WIAV?
[12:50] {Les} thats not a ticker
[12:50] {fernp} in WMT, Les
[12:50] {strider} we're both wrong....that was an aftermarket hight yesterday.
[12:51] {fernp} ahh!, ok
[12:51] {Les} ty. entry point, stop?
[12:52] {fernp} .16 long w/stop under 54
[12:54] {Threei} stop is trailed already
[12:59] {Les} ty. JEC was magnificent short setup while taxiing daughter to violin lesson:(
[13:01] {Threei} stop to under .10 for sure now
[13:01] {Threei} just 4 cents to 1:1
[13:01] {Les} ty. will take my leave there as well for a quick buck
[13:01] {nemo} question becomes, do you get their before the bear flags on the indices let go
[13:02] {magoo} so in another 2 hours vad
[13:02] {Threei} lol
[13:02] {Threei} could be, this is not a fast one lately
[13:02] {Threei} used to be much perkier
[13:03] {Les} v failed to follow MA Vad. Any play (bounce or short) in that?
[13:03] {BillyD} LMDIA
[13:04] {magoo} look my donker is out?
[13:04] {Threei} not sure I underatadn Les... their charts are fairly similar, no?
[13:04] {strider} magoo, too much information!
[13:05] {magoo} LMDIA
[13:05] {Threei} rofl
[13:05] {magoo} although A no work
[13:05] {magoo} i thought it was like AWIAV
[13:06] {magoo} OPTT vad?
[13:06] {Threei} I doubt it mags
[13:06] {Threei} lost momo
[13:06] {Les} lol. V is close to breaking support
[13:07] {Threei} so is MA
[13:07] {strider} DKS holding support at 22.60, fwiw
[13:10] {dino} ctrp in 66s, going for strike
[13:10] {dino} opps not strioke, gap
[13:11] {Les} ok. so V isn't weaker of the two?
[13:11] {BillyD} days like today make me hesitant on taking trades
[13:12] {dino} ditto
[13:12] {dino} heck we're stuck in a 3 pt s/p range for hours
[13:12] {BillyD} crazy
[13:13] {magoo} and at 2 pm the sell from hell comith
[13:13] {nemo} in advertising?
[13:13] {Threei} I don't see any significant difference
[13:13] {Les} k
[13:18] {Les} vad, you got a read on JEC? bout to b/d again?
[13:19] {Threei} ratjer looks bouncy to me
[13:19] {Threei} but not bouncy enough for me to go for it
[13:22] {dino} ppd
[13:24] {Threei} see? bouncy
[13:24] {BillyD} watching your favorite magoo HIG for possible short off 25
[13:26] {dino} ppd sm l .00
[13:27] {magoo} ty dino shorted 37...0ut 35.47
[13:27] {dino} stopped -.30
[13:27] {magoo} im done with that forever
[13:28] {BillyD} nice trade mags
[13:28] {magoo} shoulda let it rot more
[13:29] {ese} was cut off and didn't even realise it
[13:30] {magoo} ok now was l 33.3
[13:30] {magoo} out 34.40
[13:30] {magoo} cant post these all feel and fast
[13:30] {strider} [13:27] {magoo} im done with that forever
[13:30] {strider} :)
[13:30] {dino} that reminds me es, in a bar the bartender asked if i wanted another drink, i responded, "why wouldn't i"
[13:32] {dino} 34 sm l ppd
[13:32] {ese} good response
[13:32] {fernp} please Vad add WMT to the list of hated ones
[13:32] {dino} silly question
[13:33] {ese} l fitb .02 givving it the god ole college try
[13:33] {ese} good
[13:33] {magoo} onlty game in tow
[13:33] {dino} forgot the n
[13:33] {ese} definitely
[13:34] {ese} tow is good
[13:37] {BillyD} ppd not for the faint of heart
[13:38] {ese} fitb you sloth.......look at the compx for cryin out loud
[13:39] {Threei} it's just a very unclear story on a very volatile stock, billy
[13:39] {magoo} {BillyD} ppd not for the fa
[13:39] {ese} auch du miya!!!!
[13:39] {dino} ppd=piss poor'd
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[13:39] {Threei} - The proposed draft complaint also names Harland Stonecipher, our Chief Executive Officer, and Mark Brown, our Chief Marketing Officer, as defendants. We previously received a Civil Investigative Demand from the FTC on March 23, 2007 on the ADRS program. We have made voluntary revisions to the marketing materials originally provided to the FTC in 2007 and 2009. The FTC may decide to commence federal court proceedings with this proposed draft complaint.
[13:39] {Threei} - The ultimate outcome of the matter is not determinable but we will vigorously defend our interests in this matter.
[13:40] {nemo} is that like Louis Cipher
[13:40] {BillyD} the volatility enough for me to stay away
[13:44] {magoo} only game in town
[13:45] {Threei} WMT
[13:45] {Threei} 1:1 and over
[13:46] {fernp} ty very much
[13:46] {magoo} CSIQ vad
[13:47] {fernp} this trade put me to positive territory. barely, but in green
[13:48] {nemo} I'm still red
[13:49] {Threei} better than poke in the eye
[13:49] {Threei} mags
[13:49] {nemo} options ex
[13:49] {Threei} ready for this?
[13:49] {Threei} I HATE CSIQ
[13:49] {magoo} me too:)
[13:49] {Threei} my personal record on it is beynd pathetic
[13:49] {magoo} i hate trading in general
[13:49] {Threei} lol
[13:51] {strider} FAS nice c&h (handle still forming)
[13:52] {nemo} cat c7h .33
[13:53] {nemo} c&h
[13:53] {ese} fitb YYYYUUUUUUUU sloth!
[13:54] {strider} FITB, listen to me! ese wants his money, and he wants it fast!
[13:55] {Threei} nemo, you haven't taken WMT?
[13:55] {nemo} no
[13:55] {dino} ctrp filled that gap
[13:55] {nemo} you were talking about that during my computer problems
[13:55] {Threei} sniff sniff.. no gaith in me whatsoever
[13:56] {Threei} oh I see
[13:56] {ese} right then Out fitb 20k of it .05 +.03 will hang on to the the other 5k till the end of the day......see you all have choir to teach
[13:56] {nemo} by the time I logged on again, beyond discussion
[13:56] {Threei} got it
[13:56] {nemo} I saw, stop trailing and went..oh
[13:56] {ese} take care
[13:56] {dino} esi hitting support
[13:57] {BillyD} Vad, after buying breakout talk at lunchtime you gave nemo, he probably kicked PC at the time of your mention
[13:57] {fernp} bye ese
[13:57] {Threei} take care ese
[13:57] {BillyD} a subconcious move to prevent him from buying
[13:58] {Threei} well, I told him many times: physical violence is not very satisfying when aimed at lifeless objects
[13:58] {Les} ciao ese.
[13:59] {Les} vad, JEC breakdown?
[13:59] {BillyD} yeah, and I guess trout slapping doesn't cut it either
[13:59] {Threei} les, kidding?
[13:59] {Les} and if I say I wasn't?
[14:00] {Threei} there is no slightest sign of breakdown setup on it
[14:00] {Threei} it moved about 30 cents since I called it "bouncy" for which term I was remprimaned in dcc by some english professors
[14:00] {Les} what? gonna take out previous high?
[14:00] {Les} .60+?
[14:00] {Threei} don't know about highs, but there is not much readability to it
[14:01] {nemo} it looks just like the indexes
[14:02] {Threei} Market Internals update at 2:00pmET
[14:02] {Threei} - NYSE volume 600M shares, about 15% below its three-month average; decliners lead advancers by 12.6:1.
[14:02] {Threei} - NASDAQ volume 1.42B shares, about 2% below its three-month average; decliners lead advancers by 5.1:1.
[14:02] {Threei} - VIX index +9% to just under 24.00
[14:03] {Les}
[14:03] {Les} does it constitute your preferred breakout pattern?
[14:04] {Les} if the stock and market conditions were different?
[14:05] {Les} I remember trying to short a similar setup a long time ago, for which you berated me.
[14:06] {Les} wfc breakdown
[14:07] {Threei} volume is not exactly right on this screenshot, les
[14:07] {Les} thou art correct. volume are estimates
[14:07] {Threei} went down as price approached the resistance
[14:08] {Threei} and don't pay much attention to berating, I do that just to maintain uniformity of experience
[14:09] {Threei} you know... for people to have their expectations justified
[14:09] {Threei} predictable outcome
[14:10] {Les} what r u, shrink on the side?
[14:11] {Les} I have pulled up IB chart on JEC. will ditch freestockcharts at close. IB charts much better. Nemo was right
[14:12] {Threei} I am not a shrink, I just enjoy delivering pain and suffering
[14:12] {nemo} twice a day usually
[14:12] {Threei} by lucky conincidence, it's also the most effectibe teaching method
[14:13] {Threei} so I pretend I do it for the members' good
[14:13] {Threei} while in fact I simply enjoy it
[14:14] {Les} :s
[14:14] {Les} I see option in IB charts for combined contracts. this means overlay chart of multiple stocks?
[14:15] {fernp} FAS inverted c&h
[14:15] {magoo} STP vad
[14:16] {Threei} STP JPMorgan Raised STP to Overweight from Neutral
[14:16] {Threei} bog deal
[14:18] {magoo} NLST at it
[14:19] {strider} WMT still trying
[14:19] {nemo} amzn .75 break?
[14:20] {strider} which way?
[14:20] {nemo} nope broke support
[14:20] {fernp} JPM breaking down
[14:20] {nemo} jpm
[14:20] {strider} FAS spinking
[14:20] {strider} spiking also.
[14:21] {nemo} nice strider
[14:21] {nemo} gotta' come up w a definition
[14:21] {strider} spinking: spiking with a cold
[14:22] {strider} what's the short version of FAS?
[14:22] {nemo} faz
[14:22] {strider} thx
[14:22] {Threei} who thinks you guys got it bad here, watch this:
[14:22] {Threei}
[14:22] {Les} spinking: an effeminate spike?
[14:22] {strider} wait for me.
[14:22] {strider} WMT
[14:23] {nemo} fcx going for flat
[14:24] {strider} out 1.2 WMT +.21
[14:24] {strider} 1/2
[14:24] {Threei} wtg strider
[14:24] {fernp} gj strider
[14:25] {dino} gj
[14:25] {strider} t'anks
[14:25] {fernp} I still have some shares from 53.08. I think im gonna hold overnight
[14:27] {Threei} you can't fern
[14:27] {Threei} [13:32] {fernp} please Vad add WMT to the list of hated ones
[14:28] {fernp} yes I am so volatil...
[14:28] {Threei} tod ysa it was more than scalp
[14:28] {Threei} but nooo... no one believed me...
[14:29] {fernp} true.
06[14:29] * Threei prepares ground for going to monastery
[14:29] {nemo} why was it more than scalp...I missed it
[14:29] {fernp} you sold 1:1 Vad
06[14:29] * Threei prepares ground for going to monastery in Tibet
[14:29] {fernp} ?
[14:29] {Threei} half
[14:30] {nemo} Well, if you knew it was more than 1:1, why'd you sell half?
[14:30] {nemo} this is gonna' hurt
06[14:30] * Threei prepares ground for going to mountain monastery in Tibet with caves in order to gaze at his navel for 7 years
[14:30] {fernp} mechanical procedure
[14:31] {Threei} because there is no such thing as "know" in stock market, and there is a risk control procedure
[14:31] {Threei} i I thought it was a scalp I would sell it all
[14:31] {nemo} anyway...ahhhh...nevermind I'll read it in the log
[14:31] {strider} Vad, where's your stop for WMT now?
[14:32] {Threei} b/e
[14:32] {strider} t'anks
[14:32] {strider} heck. with WMT we dpm
[14:32] {strider} don't need no stinkin stops.
[14:32] {nemo} what's "dpm"?
[14:33] {strider} don't
[14:33] {strider} buggared it up
[14:33] {dino} tsl
[14:33] {fernp} nemo, read the log and see who found this marvelous play lol
[14:36] {strider} amzn c&h
06[14:37] * Threei checks out male/female ratio before picking mountain monastery in Tibet with caves in order to gaze at his navel for 7 years
[14:38] {ilana} go with classic one - 1:1
[14:38] {Threei} naaah
[14:38] {Threei} not inspired
[14:39] {Les}
[14:39] {Les} found t&s on IB
[14:40] {Threei} mazel tov
[14:40] {Les} I need that?
[14:40] {nemo} you found it yesterday
[14:40] {nemo} yeah, read order flow
[14:40] {Les} no, i showed the one on the left yesterday. "booktrader"
[14:41] {Les} booktrader much easier to read than t&s...
[14:43] {strider} +.15 amzn
06[14:43] * Threei slaps strider around a bit with a large roll of cash
[14:43] {strider} .90-.05 long
[14:43] {strider} small roll of cash, please.
[14:43] {strider} thank you sir. May I have more?
[14:43] {Threei} I don't have script for that
[14:45] {Les} stp?
[14:46] {Threei} not sure about STP
[14:50] {dino} ctrp hl l .65
[14:53] {fernp} I know we hate it, but FITB is on highs again
[14:57] {nemo} gotta' go...tomorrow op ex...that's been pretty dead, hasnt it?
[14:58] {Threei} take care nemo
[14:58] {fernp} bye nemo
[14:58] {Les} cia
[14:58] {Les} ciao
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[14:58] {Threei} - JCPenney will once again promote its stores 4 a.m. opening with Turkey Tailgate, a television spot that features shoppers tailgating with their Thanksgiving turkey leftovers in a JCPenney parking lot as they anxiously await for the store to open
[14:58] {Les} stp b/d
[14:59] {BillyD} some rah rah
[15:00] {Les} stp?
[15:01] {Les} gotta be a short in there somewhere
[15:04] {Threei} there was Les,
[15:04] {Threei} look at the little consolidation ritht above .30
[15:05] {Threei} breakdown of it was a valid setup
[15:05] {Threei} with .40 resistance for stop placement
[15:05] {fernp} enough for today, have a good evening everybody. see you all tomorrow
[15:06] {Threei} take care fern, good defensive job
[15:06] {Les} ciao fern.
[15:06] {fernp} ty
[15:06] {Les} you mean tiny ascending wedge at 14:55?
[15:06] {Threei} yes, literally 3 minutes
[15:07] {Threei} wait
[15:07] {Threei} let me check eact times
[15:07] {Les} that broked down just before 3pm
[15:07] {Threei} yes
[15:08] {Les} ok. I need to modify chart image in order to see such minute movements.
[15:09] {Les} what time period do you follow on your charts. full day or less, say 15 mins?
[15:09] {Threei} full day,
[15:09] {Threei} but in Laser you can easily scale the chart with one button
[15:09] {Threei} to zoom in
[15:09] {BillyD} how Vad
[15:09] {Threei} so if you want to see small formation better, you zoom in.. to see full day again, zoom out
[15:10] {Threei} click on chart villy,
[15:10] {Les} ok. so when probability for setup looks good I need to blow up chart to full screen
[15:10] {Threei} then find two buttons under word Global
[15:10] {Threei} no
[15:10] {Threei} Route
[15:10] {Les} I dont have laser
[15:10] {dino} rino
[15:10] {Les} yet
[15:10] {Threei} arros in and out
[15:11] {BillyD} I click on chart and just minute stats
[15:11] {Threei} find those buttons
[15:11] {Threei} right under Menu
[15:11] {Les} ok. something new learnt. will zoom in from day to 1 hour when setup looks possible
[15:13] {BillyD} ok, chart expand button
[15:13] {BillyD} thx Vad.... a liitle slow here
[15:16] {Threei} ovvering 1.4 more WMT
[15:16] {Threei} 1/4
[15:16] {Threei} 1:2
[15:17] {Threei} hit
[15:17] {Threei} stop to under .30
[15:18] {Threei} lol who would have though, WMT turns into play of the day
[15:18] {BillyD} Vad, I trhink you just saved my eyesight with those two buttons
[15:18] {Threei} lol, so it was worth the price of admission
[15:18] {BillyD} absolutely
[15:19] {Les} you've taught me new skills with the zoom feature vad. descending triangle leading to b/d of MA at 229.5 easily visible. amazing
[15:19] {Threei} wooohooo
06[15:19] * Threei goes home for the next 3 days'
[15:20] {Les} you are home. and I'm going to bed. night all.
[15:20] {Threei} take care Les
[15:32] {dino} ugcucjiutiufv
[15:36] {Threei} you think?
[15:37] {Threei} Market Internals update at 3:30pmET
[15:37] {Threei} - NYSE volume 770M shares, about 15% below its three-month average; decliners lead advancers by 11.2:1.
[15:37] {Threei} - NASDAQ volume 1.79B shares, about 4% below its three-month average; decliners lead advancers by 4.5:1.
[15:37] {Threei} - VIX index +6.5% to just over 23.00
[15:42] {Threei} run little WMT, run
[15:42] {Threei} wel... not so little
[15:43] {BillyD} lol
06[15:43] * strider slaps strider around a bit with a large , too tight stop loss
[15:43] {dino} rally
[15:45] {Threei} 1:3 baby
[15:48] {BillyD} salmon award
[15:48] {Threei} I am happily out +.47
[15:49] {dino} gj
[15:50] {strider} good going, vad.
[15:50] {strider} you da man
06[15:50] * Threei takes a bow
[15:50] {strider} looking at your navel again?
[15:51] {Threei} again?
[15:51] {Threei} always
[15:52] {BillyD} same time tomorrow Vad w/ MSFT right
[15:52] {BillyD} lol
[15:53] {Threei} lol
[15:53] {BillyD} might want to frame WMT trade
[15:53] {dino} fwlt to .70 all day
[15:54] {dino} out .72 reverse slip, +.20
[15:55] {Threei} wtg
[15:56] {dino} ty
[15:56] {Threei} okay guys, thank you all
[15:57] {Threei} have a great evening, see you tomorrow
[15:57] {BillyD} bye
[15:57] {strider} a la manana, vad
[15:57] {ilana} bye
[16:00] {dino} dtv
[16:01] {dino} gn all
[16:01] {Threei} DELL
[16:01] {Threei} miss and getting killed
[16:01] {Threei} DELL Reports Q3 $0.23 v $0.28e, R$12.9B v $13.2Be