Tuesday, June 14, 2011

Jun 14 2011

Big gap up days are rarely good for trading - gap and stall is a frequent phenomenon. Today was not an exception. Ended up slightly positive, mostly thanks to a finishing short on RIMM with nice move in our favor. Overall, yawn.

Session Time: Tue Jun 14 00:00:00 2011
[08:46] {nemo} call dino tell him go back to bed
[08:47] {Threei}  I can't
[08:47] {Threei}  I went back to bed myself
[08:59] {Threei}  oh nemo... do you hate vancouverites a bit less?
[08:59] {Threei}  till tomorrow at least?
[09:01] {davd} why would anyone hate a Vancouvite?  you guys are cool in your rain coats, sipping coffee in the fog.
[09:01] {nemo} not until Wednesday night
[09:01] {nemo} I'm from Boston davd
[09:02] {Threei}  well... we have it as sunny as anyone these days, but nemo is indiscriminate in his hatred :)
[09:02] {davd} hmmm not so diff
[09:03] {davd} getting whiplash watching mcp
[09:03] {Threei}  slv is geeting hit again
[09:07] {Threei}  lost .70 support
[09:07] {Threei}  SLW is likely to follow
[09:15] {dino} gm all
[09:15] {Threei}  dino :)
[09:24] {rizvisy1} gm
[09:24] {Threei}  riz :)
[09:24] {larisa} gm :)
[09:24] {Threei}  ok... let's gather our thoughts
[09:24] {Threei}  well, even those few we have, that is
[09:24] {Threei}  larisa :)
[09:24] {Threei}  big gap up, usually, very unfriendly to trading
[09:25] {Threei}  but we have a lot of weakness in silver and SLW
[09:25] {Threei}  so, this may present us with trade
[09:25] {Threei}  .65 break is the idea
[09:25] {Threei}  if everything goes right, couple min after opening it will set up
[09:25] {jfjf64} mornin
[09:26] {Threei}  jf :)
[09:26] {ese} morning
[09:26] {Threei}  ese :)
[09:26] {Threei}  jf, can't even begin telling you how untimely was your leave yesterday
[09:27] {ese} what happened
[09:28] {ese} score a big one?
[09:28] {Threei}  we fixed the day into solid profit after he left?
[09:28] {Threei}  with one big and three smaller ones
[09:28] {ese} lol
[09:31] {Threei} Short Setup: SLW  .80 break
[09:31] {Threei}  if stays under .90
[09:31] {Threei}  invalidated
[09:32] {Threei}  I am staying on a very conservative side
[09:33] {Threei}  thes big gap up days can be very treacherous, don't want repeat of yesterday
[09:33] {Threei}  so, will bbe very picky
[09:33] {rizvisy1} thats right...
[09:34] {Threei} Short Setup: FCX  .10 break half lot
[09:35] {Threei}  1:1
[09:35] {rizvisy1} late entry
[09:35] {Threei}  where?
[09:35] {dino}  kro sm l .12
[09:35] {rizvisy1} fcx .10 missed
[09:36] {Threei}  but it came back for a second chance fill
[09:36] {rizvisy1} yes
[09:36] {Threei} Short Setup: SLW  .95 break
[09:37] {Threei}  .06 stop
[09:39] {Threei}  if SLV loses .90, SLW should be fine
[09:39] {Threei}  market spike
[09:39] {jfjf64} hold on  slw
[09:39] {Threei}  holding so far
[09:39] {Threei}  SLV lost .90
[09:40] {Threei}  1:1
[09:40] {Threei}  easy does it
[09:44] {jfjf64} cof  bounce
[09:44] {jfjf64} ?
[09:44] {Threei} Long Setup:  OMG  .95 small shares
[09:44] {jfjf64} lol
[09:44] {jfjf64} oh my god
[09:44] {Threei}  right
[09:45] {Threei}  lol
[09:45] {Threei}  what a symbol
[09:45] {RonS} dalai lama company?
[09:45] {Threei}  dunno but it looks explosive
[09:46] {Threei}  just don't chase it
[09:46] {Threei}  stop under .80
[09:47] {Threei}  CAT, half lot long on pullback to under .60
[09:47] {RonS} lol...specialty chemicals ...looks explosive...
[09:47] {Threei}  rofl
[09:47] {Threei}  I didn't know that
[09:47] {Threei} Long Setup:  CAT  .60 break
[09:47] {Threei}  if holding .50
[09:48] {Threei}  symbol OMG for such company... really omg
[09:48] {Threei}  no worky CAT
[09:49] {jfjf64} jf  loves  short  here
[09:49] {jfjf64} tight  stop
[09:49] {Threei}  what exactly would jf want to short?
[09:49] {jfjf64} can droppppppppppppp
[09:49] {jfjf64} omg
[09:49] {jfjf64} lol
[09:49] {Threei}  ahh
[09:49] {Threei}  lol
[09:49] {rizvisy1} volume is real low OMG low in OMG
[09:50] {Threei}  that's why small shares comment
[09:50] {Threei}  illiquid stocks call for smaller position
[09:50] {Threei}  CAT is very volatile, so half lot
[09:50] {RonS} omg  1.67 mil shares short...it could explode...
[09:53] {Threei}  (US) CFTC proposes delaying derivative market rules implementation from July 16 to as late as Dec 31 (update)
[09:53] {Threei}  - Regulators propose the delay because they have not been able to meet the deadline for full implementation one year after the passage of the Dodd-Frank legislation.
[09:53] {Threei}  just what were they so busy with for a full year?
[09:53] {RonS} but 99.92% held by institutions...finviz
[09:53] {RonS} cat rinse
[09:53] {Threei}  yeah
[09:54] {Threei}  market is locked in narrow range
[09:54] {Threei}  often the case on big gap up days
[09:56] {dino} a dino go back to bed day
[09:57] {nemo} [08:46] {nemo} call dino tell him go back to bed
[09:57] {Threei}  08:46] {nemo} call dino tell him go back to bed
[09:57] {Threei}  [08:47] {Threei} I can't
[09:57] {Threei}  [08:47] {Threei} I went back to bed myself
[09:57] {RonS} lol
[10:00] {dino} lol missed that
[10:08] {Threei} Long Setup:  LVS  .60 break
[10:08] {dino} fds
[10:08] {Threei}  if stays above .50 of course
[10:09] {Threei}  if loses it, will be interested in scalp off .40
[10:10] {Threei}  if you want to see pure garbage daily chart, look at PURE
[10:11] {dino} fds sm l .25
[10:12] {Threei}  Greece news caused sharp downtick in the market
[10:13] {Threei}  (GR) Greece PM experiencing pressure within his Socialist Party to reshuffle the cabinet - world press citing sources
[10:13] {Threei}  - Reshuffle would be aimed at quelling public ire over plans for more spending cuts.
[10:13] {Threei}  - Sources say Former ECB VP Papademos could be installed as the next finance ministe
[10:13] {samire} no go ?
[10:13] {Threei}  [10:08] {Threei} if stays above .50
[10:13] {Threei}  it didn't
[10:13] {rizvisy1} rinsed
[10:13] {Threei}  it's stopped
[10:14] {Threei}  now, if it goes to .70, that will be "rinsed"
[10:14] {Threei}  and jf will be immenesly pi**ed off
[10:15] {jfjf64} lol
[10:15] {rizvisy1} it might but, can't break rules for stops
[10:15] {jfjf64} took  my  meds  today
[10:15] {jfjf64} very calm
[10:15] {Threei}  because stop is stop, nothing wrong with that
[10:15] {jfjf64} yes
[10:15] {Threei}  but to shake us out by couple cents, and proceed to the target is wrong
[10:15] {jfjf64} part of da system
[10:16] {Threei}  indecent behavior
[10:16] {jfjf64} lvs  short
[10:16] {jfjf64} ?
[10:16] {jfjf64} .45 break
[10:16] {Threei}  (GR) Spain Fin Min: reiterates ministers are exploring many options for Greece; there are options besides restructuring
[10:16] {Threei}  not sure jf
[10:18] {jfjf64} .45 break  will give  shot
[10:18] {jfjf64} .43
[10:18] {jfjf64} in
[10:18] {dino} fds stop -.27
[10:24] {samire} test
[10:24] {nemo} fail
[10:24] {samire} yes or no
[10:25] {nemo} da
[10:29] {samire} 1
[10:31] {Threei}  OMG time
[10:31] {Threei}  nears 1:1
[10:31] {jfjf64} 3i  an  usher  fan
[10:32] {Threei}  say what, lol
[10:32] {Threei}  1:1
[10:33] {Threei}  and can do more
[10:36] {samire} 1
[10:37] {RonS} 2
[10:37] {RonS} cha cha cha
[10:41] {RonS} cof l .34
[10:41] {dino}  fds rinsed
[10:44] {RonS} cof stopped -.10
[10:47] {samire} CSCO is a Bargin
[10:47] {RonS} leh was a bargain
[10:47] {Threei}  CSCO is garbage
[10:48] {Threei}  never buy cheap because it's cheap
[10:48] {Threei}  cheap is relative - it can get a loooot cheaper
[10:48] {nemo} yeah, oversold can get oversolder
[10:48] {Threei}  and then oversoldest
[10:48] {Threei}  and the sell some more
[10:49] {nemo} oversoldester
[10:49] {RonS} lol
[10:49] {Threei}  want a dialog from 1999 or so?
[10:49] {nemo} Threeish
[10:49] {Threei}  guy to me:
[10:49] {nemo} Nah...bad memories
[10:49] {RonS} how much more is there?
[10:49] {Threei}  you want to tell me that **** is a bad buy here?
[10:50] {Threei}  I'll have you to know, it's second biggest ISP in the country,
[10:50] {nemo} Netscape?
[10:50] {Threei}  it has fallen a lot from 100 something to 90
[10:50] {nemo} AOL
[10:50] {Threei}  if you honestly believe it has any more room to fall, you are an idiot.
[10:50] {Threei}  Idiot I was, indeed - stock was ELNK
[10:50] {nemo} don't even remember it
[10:51] {Threei}  look at CSCO chart
[10:51] {Threei}  daily
[10:51] {Threei}  weekly
[10:51] {Threei}  monthly
[10:52] {Threei}  find me any single time frame i which it doesn't look dead lkike a doornail
[10:52] {samire} short it
[10:53] {Threei}  not my cup of ea
[10:53] {nemo} strong convictions that one
[10:53] {Threei}  oh, one more story of the same kind, more recnet
[10:54] {Threei}  just couple years ago I think,
[10:54] {Threei}  I dared to say something negative about ESLR
[10:54] {Threei}  with traded around 10 at the time I think
[10:54] {Threei}  fan of it told me all about how it's on a hiring spree, business is booming - and recommended me to "educate myself" before making comments about stocks
[10:55] {Threei}  he was heavily invested and adding on each drop... on margin too
[11:02] {dino} had a cousin do same thing w/webmd
[11:02] {dino} wiped him out
[11:02] {Threei}  I remember that one too
[11:02] {Threei}  men of strong convictions get killed in the market often
[11:03] {Threei}  was watching SLW for H&S short setup at .40, , wanted to watch only to see if this kind of things works
[11:03] {jfjf64} jcp
[11:03] {Threei}  worked
[11:04] {dino} just saw that jf
[11:05] {Threei}  new CEO
[11:05] {RonS} $JCP naming former Senior Vice President of Retail Operations at $AAPL as the new CEO
[11:06] {RonS} so, because aapl came out w/ kickass products this guy was a retail genius...ridiculous
[11:06] {Threei}  lol
[11:06] {dino} perception is realty
[11:07] {RonS} like saying the astronaut caused the ride to the moon...the rocket had nothing to do w/ it
[11:10] {RonS} jcp s .06
[11:10] {dino} ron, c'mon, you know in the "efficient"(lol) market, that perception is indeed reality.
[11:12] {RonS} out -.14  too soon
[11:16] {Threei}  any chance this monkey would be off US back:
[11:16] {Threei}  (US) Senator Chambliss (R-GA): Plans to vote to end ethanol subsidies
[11:16] {Threei}  ***Note that a bill by Senator Coburn (R-OK) would look to reduce government spending by eliminating a major $5B a year ethanol industry tax break and the ethanol import tariff. The vote is expected later today.
[11:17] {dino} will never pass, imo
[11:17] {nemo} nope
[11:17] {nemo} once a subsidy always a subsidy
[11:17] {dino} you can give, but never take away
[11:17] {Threei}  well, good test for their faigned resolve to fight deficit
[11:18] {RonS} heard 40% of US corn to ethanol...stupid
[11:18] {nemo} that's why it will collapse
[11:18] {Threei}  feigned
[11:18] {dino} other 60% to soda, lol
[11:23] {samire} test
[11:24] {nemo} fail
[11:24] {Threei}  samire, what's wrong?
[11:24] {samire} i have slow internet
[11:25] {samire} traveling overseas now
[11:25] {Threei}  I see
[11:25] {samire} like dial up
[11:25] {Threei}  that can be serious pain in the butt
[11:25] {Threei}  especially for executions... yikes
[11:25] {samire} yes
[11:25] {Threei}  avoid market orders like plague
[11:26] {Threei}  that will kill you with slow connection
[11:26] {samire} i am checking how fast i see my own posting
[11:27] {Threei} Short Setup: JCP  .40 break
[11:27] {Threei}  half lot
[11:28] {Threei}  .55 stop
[11:28] {dino} back in 30
[11:29] {Threei}  just no rinsing JCP
[11:29] {Threei}  you are so done
[11:29] {nemo} spy looks like bounce
[11:29] {Threei}  held by fingertips
[11:30] {Threei}  I don't thnk JCP cares about SPY
[11:30] {Threei}  it's in its own world
[11:30] {nemo} just letting you know
[11:30] {Threei}  POS
[11:30] {Threei}  stopped
[11:31] {ese} L aks .24
[11:46] {davd} gj aks ese
[11:46] {davd} news?
[11:46] {Threei}  (US) Rep Hoyer (D-MD): Would like to see a debt limit increase within ten days in order to calm markets- More than half of democrats would vote to increase debt limit.
[11:47] {nemo} duh
[11:47] {ese} tks dave out aks .44 +.20
[11:47] {ese} raised quidance is all
[11:47] {ese} nothin big
[11:48] {Threei}  JCP turned into momo
[11:48] {Threei}  "only play in town" effect on boring day
[11:54] {samire} is it because summer slow down ?
[11:55] {Threei}  not necessary,
[11:55] {Threei}  rather big gap day
[11:55] {Threei}  they often end up in day-long stall
[11:55] {Threei}  gap up that is
[11:55] {Threei}  gap down days are more active
[11:55] {RonS} and isn't the bernack speaking at 2:15 edt?
[11:55] {RonS} bernank
[12:05] {RonS} the world has recognized jesus christ
[12:06] {RonS} apparently he is the new ceo of jcp
[12:06] {Threei}  ahhh
[12:06] {Threei}  that explains it
[12:08] {ese} L axl .35
[12:09] {nemo} bby
[12:09] {dino} .
[12:10] {RonS} what about bby...
[12:12] {dino} jcp sm s break .00
[12:13] {dino} lol may not break it
[12:15] {rizvisy1} .
[12:15] {rizvisy1} .
[12:16] {Threei}  nice dino
[12:16] {dino} battle
[12:21] {dino} stop flat, hmm,m
[12:24] {dino} things crazy
[12:25] {ese} L jcp .42
[12:25] {Threei}  wow
[12:25] {Threei}  that's a lot of chasing
[12:25] {ese} out crap .50
[12:25] {dino} then i shall short it again, so one of us is right
[12:25] {Threei}  whew
[12:25] {ese} daaaaaaaa +.08
[12:26] {ese} not fast enough
[12:26] {Threei}  you like living dangerously, eh ese
[12:26] {ese}  to get that spike
[12:26] {ese} ahhhhh what the heck.....ya can't take it with ya
[12:26] {dino} sm s .35, stop hod break
[12:34] {dino} out kro .40, +.30
[12:36] {ese} out even axl .35 .00
[12:38] {dino} jcp stop -.25
[12:42] {dino} another rinse, thats like 6 in two days, wtf
[13:09] {RonS} jcp .15 break if holding .25 3i?
[13:09] {RonS} s?
[13:09] {dino} lower high put in at .69
[13:09] {Threei}  no Ron :)
[13:10] {RonS} ya but for some reason support is at .17
[13:10] {Threei}  Google announces voice search
[13:11] {Threei}  I want cough search, sneeze search and blink search
[13:11] {RonS} scratch search
[13:14] {RonS} quote of the day:   @herbgreenberg i just visited $JCP and they are already painting everything white.
[13:17] {dino} sm s .24 jcp
[13:20] {RonS} this is a fact: hard goods retail is totally different than soft goods
[13:26] {rizvisy1} Decent data from both home and abroad have turned many participants into buyers today
[13:28] {RonS} big algo seller here in the es futes...benank at 2:30
[13:28] {Threei}  (US) Reminder: Fed Chairman Bernanke scheduled to speak on the debt and fiscal stability at 14:30ET
[13:34] {dino} stopped again
[13:42] {Threei}  Only 49% Think U.S. Still Needs to Belong to NATO
[13:43] {Threei}  54% Favor Repeal of Health Care Law, 46% Think Repeal Likely
[13:49] {ese} choir time.....cya all tomorrow
[13:50] {dino} cya
[13:53] {Threei}  take care ese
[13:57] {rizvisy1} .
[14:03] {Threei} Short Setup: RIMM  .80 break
[14:07] {Threei}  not a scalp IMO
[14:11] {Threei}  1:1
[14:12] {Threei}  half out
[14:12] {Threei}  stp to .86
[14:13] {Threei}  stop to .83
[14:13] {dino}  gj
[14:13] {Threei}  ty
[14:16] {samire} long rimm above .70
[14:17] {samire} .63 stop
[14:18] {Threei}  stop to .81
[14:19] {Threei}  stop to .76
[14:19] {Threei}  no lose territory, playing with house money
[14:20] {Threei}  1/4 more out
[14:21] {Threei}  1:2
[14:21] {Threei}  stop .73
[14:24] {Threei}  decide between covering at 1:3 or trailing
[14:24] {Threei}  I'll try for more
[14:24] {Threei}  stop to .66
[14:32] {Threei}  (US) Fed Bernanke: Failure to raise debt ceiling could lead to a US ratings downgrade; even a short disruption and 'prioritizing payment' could rattle markets
[14:32] {Threei}  out last portion RIMM
[14:33] {RonS} gj ty
[14:33] {Threei}  :)
[14:33] {Threei}  - The debt limit is not the correct tool for enforcing budget discipline and achieving budget cuts.
[14:33] {Threei}  - Congress needs to quickly agree on a long-term fiscal plant
[14:33] {Threei}  ***Does not comment on US monetary policy
[14:35] {Threei}  now, this is rich:
[14:35] {Threei}  - Failing to raise the debt limit would damage USD and US Treasury markets.
[14:35] {Threei}  while true, it's so weird to hear this from the guy who caused damage to USD beyond thinkable
[14:36] {Threei}  (US) Senate begins vote on Coburn Amendment that seeks to eliminate $5B in ethanol subsidies
[14:36] {Threei}  - The proposal seeks to eliminate $0.45/gallon tax credit for ethanol and $0.54/gallon tariff on imported ethanol.
[14:39] {Threei}  - Follow up 14:38ET: Senate has enough votes to defeat the amendment
[15:10] {davd} dollar moving higher re .dxy
[15:24] {RonS} Apple has plumb position to fill in retailing
[15:25] {RonS} ...does this mean the guy is fat?
[15:25] {Threei}  I'd apply but they are not likely to agree to my requirements
[15:25] {RonS} oh, pumb not plump
[15:25] {RonS} plumb
[15:25] {Threei}  which are: I am not appearing for work, ever
[15:26] {Threei}  usually after this line no one listens to the rest
[15:27] {Threei}  (EU) EMU Official: May take time to reach an agreement for Greece debt; differences in opinion remain between the ECB and Germany - financial press
[15:27] {Threei}  - Reiterates the deal should involve private creditors
[15:31] {dino}  keyw spike
[15:47] {Threei}  gap and stall right under 130 resistance, on lower volume than red days
[15:47] {Threei}  hopefully it's a sign of downtrend continuation
[15:47] {Threei}  which will present us with good activity and readable opportunities
[15:50] {Threei}  ok guys, let's end onthis
[15:50] {Threei}  no sense to press anthing on last minutes
[15:50] {Threei}  thank you all, have a good evening
[15:51] {Threei}  see you tomorrow
[15:52] {larisa} bye :)