Very nice first half of the day with a few quite sizeable wins. Second half was rather boring, brought couple small stops. End of day selling was not very clear till the very end, so we mostly skipped it excpet nice CIEN short for almost 40 cents.


Session Time: Mon Oct 27 00:00:00 2008
[07:53] {_oneiron} good morning from trial subscriber
[08:25] {magoo} morning oneiron, all
[08:49] {Threei} Good morning
[08:50] {Threei} what is it with single digit gap?
[08:50] {Threei} where are hundreds points?
[08:52] {magoo} morn vad
[08:52] {Threei} mags :)
[08:52] {magoo} was down 222
[08:53] {Threei} yeah... maybe I just need to wake up later, that's all
[08:55] {Threei} WHITE HOUSE'S BOLTON: THE G20 MEETING WILL TAKE STOCK OF THE MEASURES TAKEN TO QUELL THE FINANCIAL CRISIS AND DISCUSS STRATEGY FOR THE FUTURE
[08:55] {Threei} - Meeting will seek to reach an agreement on the causes of the crisis and address principles for governing financial markets.
[08:55] {Threei} - No one should expect the next president to attend the G20 meeting, however we will maintain close communication with the next administration's finance team.
[08:56] {hawkfan4} good morning
[08:56] {Threei} I have hard time imagining 20 of them agreeing on much
[08:56] {Threei} hawk :)
[08:56] {Threei} I mean, they are going to discuss causes?
[08:56] {Threei} 19 of them will scream "USA if the cause"
[08:57] {Threei} if = is
[09:03] {brian3579} gm all
[09:04] {Threei} brian :)
[09:04] {dino} gm all
[09:04] {Threei} dino :)
[09:05] {dino} welcome to the jungle oneiron
[09:05] {_oneiron} ty dino
[09:05] {Threei} morning oneiron, welcome
[09:06] {_oneiron} ty threei
[09:07] {Geo} gm all
[09:07] {Threei} Geo :)
[09:08] {Onix} Good morning all
[09:08] {Threei} Onix :)
[09:08] {Threei} be back in 5
[09:15] {Threei} strong premarket recovery hints of underlying strength, but I would like to get a confirmation
[09:16] {Threei} in a sense that I am willing to buy pullbacks, but somewhat reserved about breakouts
[09:21] {dptl} good morning all
[09:22] {Threei} dp :)
[09:22] {dptl} :)
[09:23] {Threei} overall, working aaumption for now is long
[09:23] {Threei} assumption too
[09:23] {ese} good morning vad dp dino brian grank geo hawk jmb mags onix tom et al......
[09:23] {Threei} ese :)
[09:24] {Geo} hey ese
[09:24] {ese} opps thats frank
[09:24] {ese} grank would have been a good handle though
[09:24] {ese} hows it goin geo
[09:25] {Geo} Monday blues
[09:25] {Geo} :)
[09:25] {ese} yup....
[09:25] {Geo} heard a friend of a friend rumour... so cant confirm the truth
[09:25] {Threei} http://realitytrader.com/vad/Mondays-Suck-Video.wmv
[09:26] {Geo} this asian guy lost about 40k in the stock markets..... mostly financials
[09:26] {Onix} hi ese
[09:26] {Geo} then on a whim awas watching wachovia and bought 10k worth of stocks at 1cent
[09:26] {Geo} sold for 2.5 mill
[09:26] {ese} huhhhh.........
[09:27] {Threei} sounds like urban myth to me :)
[09:27] {Geo} he was so scared it would be busted........he did a broker wire.... didnt resign from company just flew home
[09:27] {ese} whats wachovia at now.....
[09:27] {Geo} i know !
[09:27] {Threei} 5.72
[09:27] {Geo} they traded 385 mill shares on the day it went to 1 cent
[09:28] {Geo} dunno.... i dont know him personally
[09:28] {Geo} but makes for a good story :)
[09:29] {Geo} the funny part is all his colleagues put bids on everything they know for a cent hoping for the same thing
[09:29] {Geo} then balout happenned so no go
[09:29] {dino} gap 8691 from thursday close
[09:31] {Threei} Long Setup: UAUA .30 if stays above .15
[09:34] {Threei} not sure about pullback entry on it, looks flaky
[09:35] {dino} svnt
[09:35] {ese} bstop appl sm 97.01
[09:37] {ese} nope....invalidated....
[09:38] {ese} back on....
[09:39] {ese} hmmmmmm hit .09 and i'm not filled
[09:39] {ese} no there we go .78
[09:40] {Threei} AMZ
[09:40] {Threei} AMZN
[09:40] {ese} nice!!!!!
[09:40] {Threei} pullback entry around 49.30 -.40
[09:41] {Threei} half lot, if gets there
[09:41] {Threei} no chance
[09:48] {ese} out aapl .59 - 19
[09:48] {ese} Ok....did not like that....that thing bounces around like a wounded duck
[09:49] {Threei} everything does so far
[09:49] {dino} dino pictures injured duck
[09:49] {ese} that was weird experience with 250 shs
[09:50] {dino} interesting times
[09:51] {ese} cheap exexperience for 50 bucks though don't think i could have handled more
[09:54] {ese} anyone here trade aapl regularly........how would you handle it
[09:54] {Threei} magoo does
[09:55] {ese} how do you handle it mags.......hold for the day or something ....and how many shs
[09:55] {Threei} essenrially by closing his eyes, hitting randomly buy or short, hitting opposite button beforfe he opens his eyes... then looking what came out of it
[09:55] {ese} ha ha,,
[09:59] {Threei} AMZN pullback entry near 50, small shares
[09:59] {Threei} stop under 49.90
[09:59] {dino} i think he's asleep es
[09:59] {Threei} target closer to 51
[10:00] {Threei} *SEPT NEW HOME SALES: 464K V 450KE
[10:01] {Threei} Long Setup: QQQQ .52
[10:01] {Threei} stop under .35
[10:02] {ese} no kidding...when you can buy a house for a$1.00.......on less than 1% mortgage
[10:02] {Threei} - Median sales price: $218,400 v $222K m/m (Down -9.1% y/y)
[10:02] {dino} mkl v sm l 7.5, risky, wide
[10:02] {Threei} QQQQ 1:1, half out
[10:02] {Threei} not a scalp for me
[10:03] {Threei} should take AMZN over .50 too
[10:03] {Threei} and launch its way to 51
[10:03] {Threei} out half QQQQ .72
[10:04] {Threei} out half AMXN .772
[10:05] {Threei} stop QQQQ balance .45
[10:05] {Threei} AMZN under .30
[10:07] {Threei} out AMZN balance
[10:08] {hawkfan4} nice vad
[10:08] {Threei} BEAV... didn't trust it on 10.85 break...
[10:09] {Threei} done with Qs balance
[10:10] {Threei} waiting for the next moment of clarity, things muddied up again
[10:10] {Geo} very nice call vad
[10:10] {Geo} how did you anticipate the NQ powerup?
[10:11] {hawkfan4} 8-ball
[10:11] {Geo} it was almost like you nailed it
[10:11] {Geo} really
[10:11] {Threei} C&H on 1 min
[10:11] {Onix} Thanks Vad for doing QQQQ for those of us who don't have NQ
[10:12] {Onix} on what?
[10:12] {Geo} i traded QQQQ too
[10:12] {Geo} i think he watches NQ
[10:12] {Threei} answering geo's question, onix
[10:12] {Onix} ty
[10:12] {dino} sm l ice .00
[10:12] {Geo} in fact on one mion chart i dont hthink there is much of diff in patterns
[10:12] {Threei} I guess the best way to handle it would be this guys, tell me if you agree
[10:12] {Threei} out of three, Qs, NQ and QID,
[10:13] {Threei} Qs is the most universal tool
[10:13] {Geo} yes
[10:13] {Threei} not everyone tardes e-minins, QID's volatility is not for everyone,
[10:13] {Threei} yet, it's easy to derive form Qs call according levels for any of those
[10:14] {Threei} so, I am caling Qs, and those who prefer NQ or QID match up their entries
[10:14] {Threei} sounds right?
[10:14] {Geo} sure
[10:14] {hawkfan4} youbet
[10:14] {Onix} ty
[10:14] {tomg} y
[10:14] {Threei} kewl
[10:14] {Geo} any tutorials on mathups? :)
[10:14] {Threei} just look at the charts
[10:14] {Threei} it's quite clear really
[10:14] {Threei} Qs C&H had .52 as trigger,
[10:14] {Geo} more in sense of equivalent numbers
[10:15] {Threei} NQ had coresponding level at 1200
[10:15] {Threei} see it?
[10:15] {Geo} yes
[10:16] {Threei} QID short price would be 83, to match those two
[10:17] {Threei} if I have time, I'll throw NQ in
[10:17] {Geo} cool
[10:20] {dino} ice stopped -.43
[10:21] {ese} were you long or short ice dino?
[10:22] {Threei} [10:12] {dino} sm l ice .00
[10:22] {ese} tks ....
[10:25] {dptl} .
[10:26] {dino} ..
[10:26] {Threei} and chaeron will be the one to swip it all?
[10:27] {Threei} sweep
[10:27] {Threei} BEAV seems to set on course of recent UAUA run
[10:28] {Threei} let's watch for pullbacks
[10:29] {Threei} 11.50 nearest support
[10:30] {Threei} market weakened, don't be in a rush to enter until support solidifies
[10:32] {Threei} half lot .20 if holding above 11
[10:34] {Threei} with any market help should take .35 and jump above .50
[10:34] {Threei} not much help so far
[10:40] {Threei} BRCM
[10:40] {Threei} pulling back into support
[10:40] {Threei} long off 16
[10:40] {Threei} .11 trigger
[10:42] {Threei} market can't find footing
[10:45] {Threei} OK, better now
[10:45] {Threei} need one more spike to reassure bulls
[10:46] {Chaeron} Good morning all
[10:46] {Threei} chaeron :)
[10:46] {Threei} here is my spike
[10:46] {Geo} hey chaeron
[10:47] {magoo} chaer
[10:47] {Threei} come on bulls, le't charge
[10:48] {Threei} meek bulls we've got today
[10:48] {hawkfan4} Long Q's 29.06, stop 28.85
[10:50] {Geo} brcm stop vad?
[10:50] {Threei} come on :)
[10:50] {Threei} under 16 of course
[10:50] {Chaeron} what's the BRCM call?
[10:50] {Threei} BRCM 1:1, half out
[10:51] {Threei} too late chaeron
[10:51] {Threei} .11 was long trigger
[10:51] {Geo} out half .24
[10:51] {Chaeron} thanks.. nice one
[10:51] {Threei} stop to 16.05
[10:52] {Threei} 16.09
[10:52] {Geo} 1/4 out on .32
[10:55] {Geo} C&H
[10:56] {Threei} stop to .15
[10:58] {Threei} offering 1/4 more at .42
[11:00] {hawkfan4} 1/2 out Q's + 25, stop to .19 for the rest
[11:00] {Threei} beauty
[11:00] {hawkfan4} thx :)
[11:00] {Threei} offering half BEAV .52
[11:04] {Threei} 2 cents more BRCM
[11:04] {Threei} be a doll
[11:05] {Threei} am I getting too greedy?
[11:05] {hawkfan4} out rest q's + .13
[11:05] {Geo} all out .4
[11:05] {Threei} anyway, trailing stop to .19
[11:06] {Geo} great all vad
[11:06] {Geo} .29 cents
[11:06] {hawkfan4} nice geo
[11:06] {Threei} T. Boone Pickens confirmed that BP Capital was down around 50% over the last year, totaling losses of around $2B
[11:07] {Geo} not exactly chump change
[11:07] {patience} think of how much shopping i could have done with that
[11:08] {Threei} lol
[11:08] {hawkfan4} lol
[11:08] {patience} stocks i mean
[11:08] {Geo} of course
[11:08] {Threei} 1/4 out BRCM .39
[11:08] {Threei} sure
[11:09] {magoo} bulls on parade
[11:10] {lisa_jay} Good morning.
[11:10] {Threei} lisa :)
[11:10] {lisa_jay} Looks like you had a great morning.
[11:10] {Threei} not bad but nothing outstanding
[11:11] {lisa_jay} Kid #2 Dr. Appt...just got back. Thank god i only have 2.
[11:11] {dino} clf sm l .00, stop lod
[11:12] {lisa_jay} Any way to see the morning post Vad, I only can see from since log - in (10:57).
[11:12] {hawkfan4} got clf .04 sm dino
[11:12] {Threei} after close, when the log is posted...
[11:12] {lisa_jay} Ok, thanks.
[11:13] {Threei} BRCM stop to .25
[11:14] {Threei} gotta chose between taking profit into next spike and simply trailing stop from now on for the last portion
[11:15] {hawkfan4} 1/2 out clf +.50, stop .94 on rest, thx dino
[11:15] {Threei} nice guys
[11:16] {Threei} hunting for pullbacks strategy works like charm so far
[11:16] {Threei} excpet BEAV... don't know why I refused to take 1:1, lol
[11:17] {Threei} anyway, half lot with 20 cents stop, not a big deal
[11:18] {Threei} stop to .29 BRCM
[11:18] {Geo} wow vad
[11:18] {Threei} will move to .35 after .50 break
[11:18] {Geo} you looking to squeeze a buck :)
[11:19] {Geo} am I glad you arent a bill collector
[11:19] {Threei} well... you remember my promise to start switching to day trades from scalps as bulls slowly roll in
[11:19] {Geo} yes
[11:19] {Geo} i think thats your biggest skill vad
[11:20] {Threei} ?
[11:20] {Geo} adjusting according to market
[11:20] {Geo} as you ve seen cycles
[11:20] {Geo} and successfully traded em
[11:20] {Geo} lots of success full people didtt retoo and lost big in this environment
[11:20] {Geo} retool
[11:21] {Threei} like pickens
[11:21] {Threei} lol
[11:21] {Geo} yeah lol
[11:21] {Threei} out BEAV
[11:22] {dino} gj hawk
[11:22] {Threei} I will post a blog article on changing the tune near market turning points,
[11:22] {dptl} klac?
[11:22] {Threei} what impacts our decisiosn and perceptions and how
[11:23] {hawkfan4} thx dino, -.05 on the last. scalpy morning for me
[11:23] {Threei} if market spikes again, dp, and KLAC stays above .90
[11:24] {dptl} ok ty
[11:25] {Threei} holding well
[11:29] {Geo} klac wants up badly
[11:29] {Threei} yes, just needs little help
[11:30] {Geo} nice dptl
[11:35] {dino} sm l mcd .80
[11:39] {Threei} BRCM broke .50
[11:39] {Threei} stop to .35
[11:44] {lisa_jay} Vad, where was BRCM entry? Thanks
[11:45] {Threei} 16.11
[11:46] {Chaeron} thanks LJ... remind me that I missed it by seconds of coming in late.
[11:46] {Chaeron} :)
[11:46] {Geo} :)
[11:47] {lisa_jay} I missed it too Chaeron.
[11:47] {Threei} out last portion BRCM
[11:47] {Threei} .71, +.60
[11:47] {Geo} nice!
[11:47] {Chaeron} really nice...
[11:49] {Threei} KLAC is thinking about something
[11:49] {Threei} I'd trail stop to .94
[11:53] {Threei} come on KLAC
[11:55] {Threei} good boy
[11:56] {Threei} hit 1:1 but market retreated immediately
[11:57] {Threei} hard to tell really
[11:57] {Threei} we are coming into lunch lull
[12:00] {Threei} new high
[12:00] {Threei} stop to .99
[12:01] {Threei} SEPT CHICAGO FED MANUFACTURING: 100.6 V 103.5 PRIOR
[12:07] {Threei} I like how KLAC is holding, but really... time to push
[12:08] {ese} see ya tomorow....
[12:08] {Threei} take care ese
[12:08] {ese} see ya vad
[12:08] {Threei} half out KLAC .26
[12:08] {Threei} 1:2 or so
[12:09] {dino} hod
[12:09] {Threei} stop to under .10 KLAC
[12:13] {Geo} off to work.... TY vad and all
[12:13] {Threei} take care Geo
[12:13] {Chaeron} bye Geo!
[12:14] {dino} cya geo
[12:16] {dptl} cmcsk?
[12:17] {Threei} I'd prefer a pullback into .40 or so
[12:17] {dptl} ok ty
[12:17] {Threei} with the look of NQ chart... probably lower
[12:18] {dptl} around .30 or so
[12:18] {dptl} or.35
[12:19] {Threei} WHITE HOUSE: TREASURY WILL DECIDE TO WHAT DEGREE AUTOMAKERS WILL QUALIFY FOR RELIEF PROGRAM
[12:19] {dino} out mcd .20, +.40
[12:19] {Threei} nice
[12:19] {Threei} they gave you fries with that?
[12:20] {dino} lol
[12:22] {Threei} lol, F moved whole 2 cents on that
[12:24] {Threei} scary call:
[12:24] {Threei} Short Setup: FSLR 110, small shares
[12:24] {Threei} if stays under .50
[12:25] {Threei} target about 108
[12:26] {Threei} yuck
[12:26] {Threei} volatility is beyond imaginable
[12:26] {dptl} lol...scary??? it's nuts
[12:26] {Threei} hehe
[12:26] {Chaeron} psychotic
[12:27] {dino} what did you call me
[12:27] {Chaeron} heheh
[12:28] {Threei} KLAC 1/4 more out
[12:28] {Threei} .42
[12:28] {Threei} +.39
[12:29] {dino} gj
[12:29] {Threei} ty
[12:34] {Threei} good boy KLAC
[12:34] {Threei} one more spike please
[12:34] {Threei} so what do you say guys... switch to longer holds works well so far?
[12:35] {Threei} out KLAC last portion.55
[12:35] {Threei} +.52
[12:35] {Threei} hmmm... am I alone in room of zombies?
[12:36] {hawkfan4} zzzz
06[12:37] * Chaeron looks up from his plate of fresh brains...
[12:37] {hawkfan4} nice trade vad
[12:37] {lisa_jay} Sorry Vad. I am a Zombie too.
[12:38] {Threei} ok, I am going out to find some vampire to sire me
[12:38] {lisa_jay} ?
[12:38] {lisa_jay} Sounds ....??
[12:38] {Threei} gotta join undead society I guess
[12:38] {Threei} otherwise no one talks to me
[12:39] {dino} true blood
[12:39] {lisa_jay} Looks like that rally is getting closer....
[12:40] {Threei} if we are to get rally today, it should start with Qs tagging and breaking .65
[12:41] {Threei} while staying above .50
[12:42] {Threei} some hesitation, then break of .76
[12:42] {Threei} and off to races
[12:42] {dino} if we get rally today we will go up
[12:42] {dino} :)
[12:42] {Threei} wow
[12:42] {Threei} that's quite a nugget of wisdom dino
[12:42] {lisa_jay} Deep thinking....:-)
[12:42] {Threei} you may beat me as master of stating the obvious
[12:43] {Threei} and I trained long and hard to get so pompous
[12:43] {dino} interviewing some pro football player te other day, he says if we score more points than opponent, we will win
[12:43] {Threei} rofl
[12:43] {dino} c'mon 8691
[12:43] {Threei} I heard one basketball guy saying "you can'ty win unless you go for the basket"
[12:44] {dino} lol
[12:44] {Threei} another one strongly disagreed with him saying:
[12:44] {Threei} I think defending your basket is just as important
[12:45] {Chaeron} sad thing is that these same ppl have the right to vote
[12:45] {Threei} lol
[12:45] {Threei} and make money exceeding our math abilities
[12:45] {dino} yes
[12:48] {lisa_jay} About the Q's Vad, were you looking at the Ascending Triangle? Thanks.
[12:49] {Threei} a few setups in there, all bullish
[12:49] {Threei} ascending triangle, somewhat distorted C&H, uptrending channel
[12:49] {lisa_jay} Yes, now i see them, thanks.
[12:50] {Threei} now need to break that .76-.80 area
[12:50] {Threei} or 1210 for NQ
[12:51] {Threei} if that happens, I suspect big one coming today
[12:51] {Threei} in DJI terms... 300 is not out of question
[12:51] {Threei} quite possibly more
[12:52] {Threei} here we go
[12:52] {Threei} stop Qs under .60
[12:52] {Threei} letting it trade
[12:52] {Threei} WHITE HOUSE PRESS SEC: AUTO FINANCE ARMS COULD RECEIVE AID AS PART OF FINANCIAL RESCUE PACKAGE
[12:53] {Threei} BRCM 17... sheesh
[12:54] {Threei} and KLAC 20
[12:54] {Threei} with all those hold we still underestimate their strength
[12:54] {Threei} gotta adjust even more, eh?
[12:55] {magoo} bulls on parade
[12:56] {Threei} they are
[12:56] {Threei} charging bulls is powerful thing
[12:57] {magoo} indeed
[12:59] {dino} fwlt sm l .99
[13:01] {Threei} BIDU
[13:01] {Threei} HEARING RENEWED TAKEOVER CHATTER CIRCULATING
[13:01] {magoo} is that percieved good?
[13:02] {magoo} usually?
[13:02] {Threei} shrug
[13:02] {Threei} rumor is rumor
[13:02] {Threei} market can take it as good odds and run it... or disregard it
[13:03] {Threei} my guess is, it just trades with market
[13:22] {Threei} Long Setup: GLD .50 small shares if stays above .30
[13:25] {Threei} stopped
[13:28] {Threei} nezt rally leg is coming it feels
[13:28] {magoo} kinda felt like it all day
[13:28] {Threei} Long Setup: GE .76 if stays above .60
[13:29] {Threei} half out Qs +.30
[13:29] {Threei} OPEC SEC GENERAL AL-BADRI: ANOTHER EXTRAORDINARY MEETING IS POSSIBLE AHEAD OF SCHEDULED DECEMBER CONFERENCE
[13:30] {Threei} what do you call many extraordinary meetings
[13:30] {magoo} ill bite
[13:30] {Chaeron} boring...
[13:30] {Threei} verey ordinary I guess
[13:30] {dino} bout clf .00, +1.00, took all day
[13:30] {Chaeron} kick GE
[13:31] {Threei} let's trail to .65
06[13:31] * laserdave1 slaps Threei around a bit with a large trout
[13:31] {Threei} sigh
06[13:32] * Chaeron slaps laserdave1 around a bit with a large trout
06[13:32] * laserdave1 slaps Chaeron around a bit with a large trout
06[13:32] * laserdave1 slaps magoo around a bit with a large trout
06[13:32] * magoo slaps Threei around a bit with a large trout
06[13:32] * magoo slaps Chaeron around a bit with a large trout
06[13:32] * magoo slaps laserdave1 around a bit with a large trout
[13:33] {Geo} i c i missed a few calls
06[13:33] * Geo slaps laserdave1 around a bit with a large trout
[13:33] {dino} we hold them until you leave geo
[13:33] {Geo} sure :)
[13:33] {Geo} just hold the profitable ones
[13:34] {Threei} offering Qs balance 30.20
[13:34] {Threei} stop to under 30
[13:36] {dino} don't know how it happened but fwlt just sold at .39, +.40
[13:36] {Threei} lol
[13:37] {Threei} top of spike
[13:37] {Threei} beauty
[13:37] {Threei} closed Qs for now
[13:37] {dino} never saw it hit
[13:37] {dino} lucky
[13:37] {Threei} my chart shows spike
[13:37] {Threei} didn't want Level 2
[13:38] {dino} yeah, i see it now
[13:38] {Threei} let's trail GE to under .70
[13:39] {Threei} don't want to let eat into profits
[13:42] {Threei} overtightened Qs I guess
[13:43] {magoo} bills on parade here
[13:43] {magoo} bulls
[13:43] {magoo} bells
[13:43] {Threei} awww Qs
[13:43] {Threei} right nto my target
[13:44] {Threei} {--- still in need of mental reconditioning
[13:51] {dptl} .
[13:55] {Geo} hey chaeron dcc pls
[13:57] {Threei} US TREASURY REPORTEDLY EVALUATING ASSISTANCE TO GM AND CHRYSLER TO ASSIST POSSIBLE MERGER - UNCONFIRMED REPORT
[13:57] {Threei} stupid GE
[14:06] {Threei} looking at UAUA chart
[14:07] {Threei} formed big cup with 11.66 rim
[14:07] {Threei} inverted of course
[14:08] {Threei} 11.65 is short trigger if forms closer stop
[14:09] {Threei} AMZN
[14:09] {Threei} long between .50 - .60 if syats above .30
[14:09] {Threei} stays
[14:09] {Threei} damn dyskleksia
[14:10] {Threei} big offer at .55 is probably the best entry indication
[14:10] {Threei} if taken
[14:13] {Geo} wow
[14:20] {magoo} vad..sell off into bell or run up?
[14:21] {Threei} vcan't tell yet
[14:26] {dino} you can tell us
[14:26] {Threei} but then I would have to kill you
[14:26] {Threei} and I don't want to
[14:26] {Geo} why vad?
[14:27] {Threei} I like you
06[14:27] * Geo blushes
[14:27] {Threei} not you personally dummy
[14:27] {Geo} it was a setup
[14:27] {Threei} of course :)
[14:27] {Geo} ok so i tried a dino on amzn
[14:27] {Geo} barely got out alive
[14:28] {Geo} to iexperienced for that
[14:29] {dino} lol
[14:30] {Threei} for a late day selloff this started too early
[14:30] {Threei} those usually hit on last 20-30 min
[14:31] {dino} well just about 400 pt range day again
[14:31] {Threei} yeah, anothere day in the office
[14:32] {lisa_jay} UAUA in the process of forming that handle.
[14:34] {dptl} cien short at .90?
[14:35] {Threei} if not going above 9 on this NQ upward spike
[14:36] {dptl} ok ty
[14:36] {dino} sm l uthr .00
[14:38] {Threei} UAUA forms resitance at .80 so far
[14:38] {Threei} for a stop placement
[14:39] {lisa_jay} Vad, how much should we take volume into account when deciding a trade. ex if u want to short and see bigger up vol bars.
[14:39] {Threei} on what?
[14:39] {lisa_jay} UAUA maybe.
[14:40] {Threei} insignificant difference
[14:40] {lisa_jay} Ok, thanks.
[14:41] {Geo} drat
[14:47] {Threei} stop iis still above .80
[14:47] {dptl} Vad,on cien you would keep stop over 9?
[14:47] {Geo} you have inventory ?
[14:47] {Threei} no Geo
[14:47] {Geo} k
[14:47] {Threei} for now dp... mayube .95 if you feel NQ reverses
[14:48] {dptl} ok
[14:48] {Threei} and for sure move it to .95 if it breaks below .87
[14:55] {Threei} what a yawn second half of the day
[14:56] {Threei} so far at least
[14:58] {lisa_jay} Vad, for UAUA, you mentioned stop above .80... How much below .80 would you recommend? Thanks.
[14:59] {lisa_jay} Sorry, above .80.
[14:59] {Threei} below?
[14:59] {Threei} oh
[14:59] {Threei} kind of feeling thing... sometimes they barely touch and immediately retreat,
[14:59] {Threei} in such case I'd hold the trade
[15:00] {Threei} but when they move away from a stop or trade firmly over it, time to get out
[15:00] {lisa_jay} Is that why you don't like to have hard stops if not away from computer.
[15:00] {Threei} one reason, yes
[15:01] {Threei} another is
[15:01] {Threei} absence of discretion size wise
[15:01] {Threei} meaning:
[15:01] {Threei} imagine 100K shares at the bid at your stop level,
[15:01] {Threei} first 100 shares go off, your stop is triggered.
[15:02] {Threei} If you watch it, you won't take stop on such print size
[15:02] {Threei} you'll wait to see if that 100K is getting hit
[15:05] {Threei} lol dp, could you possibly pick slower stock than CIEN?? :)
[15:06] {dptl} yeah..
[15:11] {Threei} that too early stgarted selloff maybe the change of pattern
[15:11] {Threei} not ready commit yet
[15:11] {Threei} but watching how it unfolds
[15:13] {Threei} Qs, any pullback starts looking as long
[15:13] {Threei} .50 support
[15:14] {laserdave1} magoo dcc please
[15:15] {Threei} anyone took it under .70?
[15:16] {Threei} wasn't much of pullback really
[15:16] {Geo} i was looking at te red candle
[15:16] {Geo} but though pullback wasnt deep enuff
[15:18] {Threei} in
[15:18] {Threei} stop under .50
[15:18] {Geo} in .65
[15:19] {dptl} .66
[15:22] {Onix} in Q's @ .62
[15:23] {Geo} hmmm
[15:23] {Geo} i think ONIX's size broke the pattern
[15:23] {Threei} oh well
[15:23] {dptl} stopped qqqq
[15:23] {Onix} lo out .49
[15:24] {Threei} CIEN works though
[15:24] {dptl} still in
[15:29] {Threei} strangely, still feels like ramp up into close
[15:29] {laserdave1} magoo dcc if u see this please
[15:30] {magoo} there dave
06[15:30] * Geo slaps magoo around a bit with a large trout
[15:30] {Onix} I was watching KLAC and wanted to take it @ 20.01 !!
[15:30] {Geo} thats not dcc
[15:40] {Threei} what a battle
[15:44] {Threei} if .40 is holding, going to try .51 for one last scalp
[15:45] {dptl} half out cien .75
[15:45] {Threei} good one
[15:45] {Threei} .40 not holding
[15:49] {dino} gj
[15:50] {Threei} if we finish here, it's not bad
[15:51] {Threei} no more deep dive into close
[15:53] {Threei} some selling
[15:53] {Threei} not huge
[15:54] {Threei} a bit more than I would have liked for a solid rally footing
[15:54] {Threei} oh well... not time yet then
[15:55] {dptl} covered some more .62 cien
[15:55] {Threei} 5 min left dp
[15:55] {Threei} just a rfeminder in case you lost track of time
[15:55] {dptl} biding last300 at .53
06[15:57] * Threei slaps dptl around a bit with a large trout
[15:58] {dptl} all out
[15:58] {Threei} whew
[15:58] {Threei} wtg
[15:58] {Threei} OK, don't like this selling
[15:58] {dptl} ty.....
[15:58] {Threei} hoped for better support
[16:00] {Threei} thank you all
[16:00] {hawkfan4} wow
[16:00] {Threei} have a good evening, see you tomorrow for another interesting day
[16:00] {hawkfan4} thx vad, all
[16:00] {dptl} have a good evening all
[16:01] {Onix} thanks Vad, all of the best everyone
[16:01] {Geo} bye all
[16:02] {dino} later all

Fri Oct 24 2008

We thank all the guests who attended our Open House. We navigated through the rough waters of these two days quite smoothly, finishing Thu in the money and Fri with no single losing trade. Also had a chance to provide educational commentaries to some of the trades, especially textbook QQQQ day trade and a few scalps on breaks and pullback entries. We hope you enjoyed your stay with us.



Session Time: Fri Oct 24 00:00:00 2008

[07:26] {Nemo} Guten Morgen
[07:27] {_coyote} Good Morning Nemo
[07:28] {Nemo} Markets may not open this morning, futures down so much
[07:29] {_coyote} What does that forebode?
[07:30] {Nemo} If there at limit down, there's only trading on equities bid above the down limit. It means 1987.
[07:30] {_coyote} Are the futures that close to limit down this morning?
[07:31] {Nemo} They're at limit down now
[07:32] {_coyote} Where do you get your futures quotes from?
[07:33] {Nemo} If they don't come off, today and likely monday will (use your favorite adjective). I have Fidelity. You can look at finviz.com or bloomberg
[07:33] {_coyote} Thanks Nemo
[07:45] {Threei} Good morning
[07:45] {Threei} wow
[07:45] {Threei} what the heck happened overnight?
[07:45] {Threei} both SP and NQ are limit down
[07:45] {_coyote} Good Morning Threei...looks bad
[07:46] {Nemo} DOW limit down also
[07:46] {Threei} any overnight news causing that or just because?
[07:46] {Nemo} Nothing specific.I'd say hop on the Short ETF wagons, but I'm not sure what will trade this morning.
[07:47] {Nemo} I'll grab the vodka
[07:47] {Threei} PIMCO'S EL-ERIAN: EMERGING MARKETS STARTED THE SELL-OFF, CARRY TRADES GOT HIT HARD, FORCED REDUCTIONS BEGAN YESTERDAY - CNBC INTERVIEW
[07:47] {Threei} - Heavy damage to the system is being worked through, the system needs to get rid of its "damaged parts."
[07:47] {Threei} - Insists however that credit pipes are starting to unclog
[07:47] {Nemo} Words are cheap. LIBOR up, bank hoarding, OPEC cut production
[07:48] {Nemo} This feels like 1987. Today and Monday-ouch
[07:48] {Nemo} Oh report on heightened Russian default risk
[07:49] {Threei} days when you are happy to be a day trader
[07:50] {_coyote} Yes indeed
[07:54] {Nemo} I wonder non-dividend paying stocks will be toast in the future
[07:54] {Threei} just how much do you hate to admit that once a few years even Cramer is right
[07:55] {_coyote} Who?
[07:55] {Nemo} Cramer was just on the bandwagon. Having said that, he picked good stocks. I'd see measurements of return from the day he mentioned them
[07:55] {Threei} TV guru... Jim Cramer
[07:55] {Nemo} Even he would say wait a week.
[07:55] {Threei} I mean his sell everything call
[07:56] {_coyote} Anyone hold anything overnight?
[07:56] {Nemo} Not to pat myself on the fin, but not comparing this to '74 or the depression was the mistake.
[07:56] {Threei} some SLW, coyote
[07:56] {Nemo} Nope. but I wish I had bought the short ETFs!!!
[07:57] {Threei} not looking encouraging
[07:57] {Nemo} Yeah, and that's bid down this morning
[07:57] {_coyote} Does that mean no free food free drinks and girls for the open house?
[07:57] {Threei} we had a lot yesterday
[07:58] {Threei} be back in 10
[08:11] {Threei} QID trades at 89
[08:11] {Threei} looks weird, with this gap down it should be much higher
[08:11] {Threei} trhings are broken
[08:12] {Nemo} Well, those hard limit downs are like banning short selling, which affected the short ETFs
[08:12] {Threei} yeah, distorts prices
[08:13] {Nemo} So, if I start drinking, will it un-distort things?
[08:13] {Threei} OPEC PRESIDENT KHELIL: NOT CONCERNED BY TODAY'S DROP IN OIL PRICES
[08:13] {Threei} of course he isn't
[08:14] {Threei} sorry Nemo, but we have a strict limitation on drinking here: none before 9:25 EST, no more than 300 g of vodka in one gulp, and not more often than one dose every 5 minutes
[08:14] {Nemo} Danish central bank raised rates
[08:14] {Threei} are they out of their collective mind?
[08:15] {Nemo} Yeah, I've had more than my fair share of those Russian tea glass doses
[08:15] {Threei} LIMIT REMINDERS FOR US EQUITIES FROM CME GROUP AND NYSE FOR THE Q4
[08:15] {Threei} http://www.nyse.com/press/circuit_breakers.html
[08:15] {Threei} http://www.cmegroup.com/trading/equity-index/files/EquityIndexPriceLimitGuide.pdf{SPY
[08:16] {Threei} IEA: TODAY'S OUTPUT CUT WILL FURTHER DETERIORATE WORLD ECONOMIC SITUATION
[08:16] {Threei} OPEC: as if we care
[08:16] {Threei} (US) MARKIT: US INVESTMENT GRADE DEBT CDS INDEX WIDENS TO A RECORD LEVEL OF 243.75 BPS ON FALLING EQUITY FUTURES
[08:17] {Nemo} Well either 1) the world is ending-not 'till 2012. or, 2) This is the capitulation. Hopefully it doesn't crash the machine
[08:17] {Threei} 1 is questionable - why wait that long?
[08:17] {Threei} I say lert's have world end today and be done with it
[08:18] {Nemo} Yeah, but the mystics from the various traditions around the world say 2012
[08:18] {Threei} well, then we have almost 4 more years to enjoy
[08:19] {Threei} just gotta make sure you have a gun handy I guess
[08:19] {Nemo} What's scary, is there all in agreement. Not like those 7th day Adventists back in the 1800s or the Lubavitchers when Schneerson ie
[08:19] {Threei} 'cause a lot of others might have different ideas on how to anjoy it
[08:19] {Nemo} GUN(S) plural and ammo
[08:19] {Threei} are you ever optimist eh :)
[08:20] {Nemo} When I deem it the right course of action
[08:20] {Threei} I show oil 63.79
[08:20] {Threei} not sure this wuote is right
[08:21] {Nemo} Can't wait to hear your game plan for the day. Helluva time to hold an open house, huh?
[08:21] {Threei} lol
[08:21] {Nemo} I've got oil at 63
[08:21] {Threei} my timing in these things always sucked
[08:22] {Threei} RealityTrader creation itself - 2000
[08:22] {Threei} not 1998
[08:22] {Threei} not 2003
[08:22] {Nemo} Better to suck at this than at your trading, huh?
[08:22] {Threei} just before big crash :)
[08:22] {Threei} I guess
[08:22] {Threei} on the other hand...
[08:22] {Threei} we had absolutely fantastic trading weeks,
[08:23] {Threei} easy to see by reading our trading logs,
[08:23] {Threei} winning 9 days out of 10 on those two weeks of biggest swings
[08:23] {Nemo} Yeah, you've been cleaning up. Just hopefully (optimistically speaking) those piece of paper continue to be worth something
[08:23] {Threei} and firmly intend to keep the room as safe as possible today
[08:23] {Threei} well, that's all we have
[08:24] {Nemo} Bar the door then
[08:24] {magoo} morning
[08:24] {Threei} morning mags
[08:24] {magoo} certain;ly tough times to do an open house
[08:24] {Threei} hehe
[08:25] {Nemo} shoulda' read the discourse magoo. smack him with my cousin!!
[08:25] {Threei} DJI - 600
[08:25] {Threei} and we haven't even opened yet
[08:26] {Nemo} Here's hoping this is 1987 and not 1929
[08:26] {Threei} I would say never in my life have I seen anything like over last three weeks,
[08:26] {Threei} but then again, everyone is saying this
[08:26] {_coyote} Maybe should have stayed with the Indian slots
[08:26] {Threei} lol
[08:26] {Nemo} I was sitting in class during 1987, that was something
[08:27] {Threei} I still don't think it's going to be repeat of Great Depression
[08:28] {Threei} uh oh
[08:28] {Nemo} As you say about the markets, it doesn't matter what we think. The great (cough, cough) minds didn't see this coming
[08:28] {Threei} GM
[08:28] {Threei} COMPANY REITERATES THAT BANKRUPTCY 'NOT AN OPTION'
[08:28] {Nemo} Fed will supply mouse money to GM
[08:30] {Threei} Raven... you noticed sky is falling?
[08:30] {Nemo} Maybe I'll just run up my credit cards and file bankruptcy
[08:32] {Nemo} SKF pretty much pinned at 180, although 20% return overnight would have been nice
[08:33] {Raven} Just your once a century panic ... no problem
[08:33] {Threei} yup
[08:35] {Nemo} Vad, check Bill this mornin'?
[08:35] {magoo} man
[08:35] {Threei} not yet nemo
[08:36] {magoo} , so i understand we have to sit -n-see, but any working theories for toay?
[08:36] {Threei} well
[08:36] {magoo} it could crash at bell...bounce ...and crash
[08:36] {Threei} first, it's going to be a chaos
[08:36] {Threei} I intend to skip the very open,
[08:36] {magoo} it could spike at bell, hard pullbk, then up then close at lows
[08:36] {Threei} simply because volatility will be beyond risk tolerance
[08:36] {magoo} btw, whats gun for?
[08:37] {magoo} suice or self defense at worlds end?
[08:37] {magoo} suicide\
[08:37] {Nemo} self-defense
[08:37] {Threei} latter
[08:39] {magoo} i do not think anyone will want to hold over weekend thinking a black monday is set up here
[08:39] {magoo} odds in favor of closing at lows
[08:40] {magoo} so at 2pm..look to see selloff
[08:40] {Nemo} Not to step out on a limb, but the odds are probably 1:1 on that
[08:40] {magoo} explain please
[08:41] {Nemo} I'm agreeing with your view. 1:1 is even money odds
[08:43] {magoo} well, i not giving it even odds
[08:43] {Nemo} As a matter of fact I was just about to say that magoo
[08:43] {magoo} i say{and i do not know jacksh@t}, BUT, who in right mind would buy long into last hour?
[08:44] {Nemo} Who buys long period these days?
[08:45] {Threei} someone does
[08:46] {Nemo} Yeah, and you take their money :)
[08:46] {Threei} I mean... all these mutual and hedge funds liquidations,
[08:46] {Nemo} Wow, GDX and GLD both bid down
[08:46] {Threei} these insane amounts of shares do go in someone hands, right?
[08:47] {Nemo} Oh, I agree, just crazy. Although, as we see today, nobody is buying.
[08:47] {Threei} that's not exactly right
[08:47] {Threei} maybe nobody is buying actively
[08:47] {Threei} meaning bidding up and taking offers
[08:48] {Nemo} Well, would supply be well in excess of demand so far today?
[08:48] {Threei} but when bids are geting hit, someone did sit on those bids and absorbed selling, right?
[08:48] {Threei} and when supply side is so eager,
[08:48] {_Bruce} morning all
[08:48] {Threei} bidders are ever so willing to drop bids and get better prices
[08:48] {Threei} bruce :)
[08:48] {_Bruce} vadster
[08:49] {Threei} I mean, you are car hunting,
[08:49] {Threei} you see big inventory
[08:49] {Threei} and dealer eager to sell
[08:49] {Threei} pressing you to buy NOW
[08:49] {Threei} offering discounts
[08:49] {Threei} you will try to lowball your bid, right?
[08:50] {Nemo} Absolutely. Do you think volume will be the story today?
[08:51] {Threei} both volume and price
[08:53] {dino} gm all, seems i was a day early on end of days
[08:53] {dino} black friday in the making perhaps
[08:53] {Threei} dino :)
[08:53] {Threei} no, you were right, it's just that world end is a process
[08:54] {Threei} unfolds over certain period of time
[08:54] {lisa_jay} Good morning.
[08:54] {Threei} lisa :)
[08:55] {Threei} gold under 700?
[08:55] {Threei} jeez
[08:58] {_Bruce} dino
[09:00] {dino} :)
[09:01] {dino} chaos today, big swings both ways. end of day, who knows, gut says down -200ish. all just opinion, which are like asses, everybody has one
[09:01] {Threei} I agree with every word except my gut says nothing about closing number
[09:02] {Threei} on days like thgis anything is possible
[09:02] {Threei} literally
[09:02] {lisa_jay} How about we close up...
[09:02] {Nemo} And I have to leave early today
[09:03] {dino} ok lisa, about as good as my guess
[09:03] {dino} ahhh, nemo, we are like hotel california, you can check in, but never leave
[09:04] {Nemo} I remember when that came out
[09:04] {lisa_jay} My kid begs us not to play "when your hungry love with keep us alive"
[09:04] {lisa_jay} sorry love will keep us alive.
[09:04] {Nemo} Better than "Love will keep us together"
[09:05] {lisa_jay} :-)
[09:05] {Nemo} They got divorced
[09:07] {dino} lol
[09:11] {Geo} gm all
[09:11] {Geo} interesting overnight i see
[09:11] {Threei} Geo :)
[09:12] {Threei} be back in 5, and shape up the plan
[09:15] {dino} remember rule #1 today
[09:16] {Geo} ?
[09:16] {dino} you must stay in the game
[09:16] {Geo} ah
[09:19] {dptl} good morning all
[09:19] {dino} rule #2; good trading is not about being right, it's about trading right
[09:20] {Threei} back
[09:20] {Threei} I see dino already formulated my plan :)
[09:21] {Threei} things wikll be very erratic, especially at the open
[09:21] {hawkfan4} gm all
[09:21] {Geo} ES limit down trading stopped?
[09:21] {Threei} hawk :)
[09:21] {Threei} all futs geo
[09:22] {Threei} capital preservation is main purpose,
[09:22] {Geo} ah
[09:22] {Geo} am i grad i didnt take that long overnight heheh
[09:22] {Onix} Good morning
[09:22] {Threei} it's much better to sit this kind of panic out than lose big,
[09:22] {Threei} onix :)
[09:22] {dptl} .
[09:22] {Threei} . to you too dp
[09:23] {dptl} :)
[09:23] {Threei} also, keep in mind that many trading platforms may be bogged down in this kind of trading
[09:23] {Nemo} Yeah, it's kinda' like being at the intersection of a really bad car accident
[09:23] {Threei} so you may get caught in frozen platform even when you are right on your entry
[09:24] {lisa_jay} Bloomberg guy says we will open limit down even double limit down...1 buyer and about 11000 sellers - of course i don't listen to news (J. Carter floor trader)
[09:24] {Threei} let's let the 10-15 minutes go,
[09:24] {Threei} see what's happening,
[09:24] {Threei} verify quotes accuracy,
[09:24] {Geo} j carter ?
[09:24] {Threei} when first trades start emerging, keep size down,
[09:24] {dino} lol, guy on cnbc saying perfect time to buy
[09:24] {Threei} be nimble today,
[09:24] {Geo} if thats the guy with book he no a floor trader
[09:24] {lisa_jay} told you i don't pay attention to details on news.
[09:25] {Threei} book profits quickly, especially at first,
[09:25] {Threei} keep stops as if your very life depended on it.
[09:25] {Threei} ANYTHING can happen today
[09:25] {patience} like a shutdown of the markets by the fedf?
[09:26] {dino} he's not a floor trader
[09:26] {patience} good point dino
[09:27] {lisa_jay} Jeff carter
[09:28] {peterg} morning all; veryyy;yrt interesting mkts today
[09:28] {Geo} ok
[09:28] {Threei} peter :)
[09:28] {Threei} oh, and one last comment before we open:
[09:28] {magoo} OY
[09:28] {Threei} today is immense learning opportunity
[09:28] {patience} have your paper bag ready?
[09:29] {Threei} whether yo dive into trading or not, do observe to see how this kind of extremes influence p;eople and their trades
[09:29] {lisa_jay} Vad, since i only trade 100 shares i should probably sit this out.
[09:30] {Threei} oh btw, about SLW,
[09:30] {Threei} I sold half lot at 3.24 earlier,
[09:30] {Threei} still have half
[09:30] {ese} morning...wow....futures limit down.
[09:30] {Threei} will see what happens whehn the dust settles
[09:30] {dino} head fake
[09:31] {Threei} ese :)
[09:31] {ese} I haven't seen this before
[09:31] {Nemo} kids,
[09:31] {Nemo} I suppose that deserves a trout slap. go ahead, hit me.
06[09:32] * magoo slaps Nemo around a bit with a large trout
[09:32] {Threei} and you thought you would have to ask twice?
[09:32] {Nemo} Nope. I know when I stick my chin out, I'm gonna' take a shot.
[09:33] {Threei} QQQQ, watch for pullback into 28.20 for possible long entry
[09:34] {Threei} if drops there, pauses and shows reversel, get half lot, keep stop under 28
[09:34] {dino} 8243 yesterday lod
[09:35] {dino} broken
[09:37] {Threei} VIX VOLATILITY INDEX HIT NEW ALL TIME HIGH AT 89.53
[09:38] {Threei} Qs got away for now
[09:39] {Threei} quotes seem to be fine
[09:39] {magoo} actually..no real panic it sdeems
[09:39] {Threei} look at UAUA to see what kind of volatility we had on first minutes
[09:40] {Threei} imagine yourself caught on a wrong side
[09:40] {magoo} been there
[09:40] {magoo} sigh
[09:40] {Threei} 11 to 13 and back to 10.5
[09:40] {Threei} all in 4 bars
[09:40] {ese} been there also mags
[09:40] {magoo} been there too..4 bars lol
[09:40] {Threei} rofl
[09:41] {ese} vad what indicator are you looking for that show that selling is tapering off?
[09:41] {Threei} just chart
[09:42] {ese} ar you looking at any sort of index indicator
[09:42] {Threei} not sure what you mean
[09:42] {ese} well the VIX would be one...any others?
[09:43] {Threei} no
[09:43] {dino} sm l ddm .90, stop .47
[09:43] {ese} whans is the last time you saw futures limit down?
[09:43] {magoo} last week
[09:43] {Threei} can't even remember
[09:43] {Threei} before this whole debacle I mean... years ago
[09:44] {ese} ...this pretty historic for our generation...
[09:46] {Nemo} Maybe 2001, but they didn't put the breakers in until after 1987. I was in grad school then. It was all we talked about
[09:47] {Threei} PREVIEW: SEPT EXISTING HOME SALES DUE OUT AT 10AMET
[09:47] {Threei} **consensus expectation: 4.95Me v 4.91M prior
[09:47] {magoo} terrific
[09:47] {Threei} SLW is back within our initial stop
[09:47] {Threei} if uncomfortable, dump it here
[09:47] {Geo} NCC being acquired ad?
[09:47] {Geo} vad
[09:48] {Threei} I'll try to hold that half lot a bit more
[09:48] {ese} what were you studying Neno?
[09:48] {ese} Nemo...
[09:48] {Nemo} MBA
[09:48] {Threei} NCC, yes, for 2.23
[09:48] {ese} ahhhhh.
[09:49] {ese} stick with Vads MBA.......it works
[09:49] {Nemo} BS (Bull manure) MS (more of same) PhD (piled high and deep) MBA just a variation on a theme
[09:49] {dino} out ddm .38, +.48
[09:49] {Threei} dino :)
[09:50] {dino} lucky
[09:50] {dino} coin flup
[09:50] {Threei} SLW is back to breakeven
[09:50] {magoo} is that similar to a coin flip?
[09:50] {ese} agreed....took some business courses here at U Vic......
[09:51] {Threei} UAUA, what a crazy move
[09:51] {ese} wanted to learn about the market....kind of teach you to be car salesman of security products
[09:51] {magoo} i should not post this
[09:51] {magoo} feels like green coming
[09:51] {Threei} amazingly enough yes
[09:51] {ese} I think your right mags
[09:52] {lisa_jay} airlines showing strength.
[09:52] {lisa_jay} sorry did not see earlier post.
[09:52] {Threei} numbers in 8 min
[09:53] {Threei} OK, some pullbacks finally appear
[09:53] {magoo} ideally...drop to low ..then base and rock up
[09:53] {magoo} need a pullbk
[09:53] {Threei} yeah, buying breaks so far feels like the craziest thing to do
[09:53] {Threei} thus it works, lol
[09:56] {Nemo} uyg continues to climb
[09:56] {Threei} everything does
[09:57] {Threei} lulls traders into complacency
[09:57] {Threei} and will drop hard just when everyonwe decides it's up only for the day
[09:57] {Nemo} ahhh and you accuse me of pessimism :)
[09:58] {lisa_jay} Parabolic rise....
[09:59] {ese} nice climb back for NVDA into green....
[09:59] {Nemo} note from bill cara on futures as a market indicator: I think holding on at this point is the wisest move. Futures markets are only reflecting the sell orders streaming into equity and commodity markets, which have stopped working as value discovery mechanisms.
[09:59] {Nemo} Somebody sent me an article by Jon Markman titled "Bundled up for a deep credit freeze" and asked me for my take. I found it interesting, but it's backward looking. I replied,
[09:59] {Nemo} "Markman saying 'The onslaught has begun' is a problem I have with t
[09:59] {Nemo} I have with this article. It's already late in the game and he has succumbed to an emotional crisis. My analysis is showing that on rallies, the retail accounts are selling and the institutional accounts are waiting for the sell-off, then buying. It's only a mater of time before traders see that the market is no longer functioning as a value discovery mechanism, and the selling stops." The buying will follow.
[10:00] {Threei} SEPT EXISTING HOME SALES: 5.18M V 4.95ME
[10:00] {Threei} wow
[10:00] {Threei} good numbers for a change
[10:00] {Nemo} After california data last week, not a surprise
[10:02] {Threei} ok market, time for pullback
[10:02] {ese} what was the california data Nem?
[10:02] {magoo} really need it
[10:02] {magoo} 90% of porno movies made in calif
[10:02] {magoo} data
[10:03] {ese} those are great stats!!!! mags
[10:03] {Nemo} don't remember exact numbers, but the transactions were up some ridiculous %
[10:03] {Threei} what do we buy on that?
[10:03] {Geo} 90% of em made within my 10 mile radius
[10:03] {Threei} uh oh... Geo is a center of action
[10:03] {Nemo} san fernando valley
[10:03] {magoo} see.mkt wont pullbk so as few on board as possible
06[10:04] * Geo is right there
[10:04] {dino} isn't hje always
[10:04] {dino} he
[10:04] {Threei} seems starting mags
[10:04] {Geo} hey SF valley is a clean wholesome place
[10:04] {Threei} QQQQ. want to see it near 29 at least to start contemplating entry
[10:05] {Threei} and UAUA near 12.50
[10:05] {magoo} half lot
[10:05] {dino} uyg sm l .00, stop .57
[10:05] {Threei} everything half lot, and don't jump in until you see pause and signs of strength returning
[10:05] {Threei} moves in both directions are likely to be exaggerated
[10:06] {Threei} much biger than one would normally expect
[10:06] {Threei} and in any case, rule for the day is better to miss the play than to get caught in sharp countermove
[10:06] {dino} pulp market
[10:07] {Threei} heroic inclinations of "I have to be in action" kind is exactly the stuff wiped out traders are made of
[10:07] {Threei} we are getting there, Qs
[10:08] {Threei} want one more leg down
[10:08] {Nemo} Vad "inaction" is also to be "in action" :)
[10:09] {Threei} philosphically speaking yes :)
[10:09] {Nemo} cogito ergo sum
[10:09] {Threei} did you see on Qs just now?
[10:09] {Threei} teleportation from .30 to .12
[10:09] {Threei} exactly what I mean by the move that traps you
[10:10] {Threei} need one more dump
[10:10] {Threei} not buying here
[10:10] {magoo} AAPL is the tell guys/gals
[10:10] {Nemo} I understood. thanks, vad. DUG building strength
[10:10] {Threei} come on Qs, dive under 29
[10:11] {Threei} shake out those who decided it's up only
[10:11] {Threei} then we will buy
[10:11] {dino} ice sm risky l .40
[10:12] {Threei} here we go
[10:12] {Threei} UAUA is getting there too
[10:12] {Threei} still don't see sharp red bar
[10:12] {Threei} on either
[10:13] {Threei} OK, first try Qs if not losing .90 anymore
[10:13] {Threei} 28.05 trigger
[10:13] {Threei} half lot!
[10:14] {dino} ice stopped -.41
[10:14] {Threei} 29.05 sorry
[10:14] {dino} rinsed
[10:15] {Threei} Q 1 cent shy of 1:1 on a spike
[10:15] {Threei} OK, geting there
[10:15] {Threei} 1:1 Qs, half out, scalpers be happy
[10:15] {dino} ice off of .25 fast
[10:16] {Threei} stop to .99
[10:16] {Threei} for the balance
[10:16] {Threei} UAUA is right near 12.50 support
[10:16] {Threei} this one is even more volatile
[10:16] {Threei} not sure it's worth the risk here
[10:17] {Threei} if you like it, be ready for a stop under .50 and poissible multile entries
[10:17] {Threei} if went for it, try to offer around .90
[10:18] {Threei} there
[10:18] {Threei} take profit and don't get stuick in it
[10:18] {Threei} playing it as safe as possible today
[10:19] {magoo} take profit...go change diaper..get cup-o-joe
[10:19] {Threei} eqzaktly
[10:19] {Nemo} use vaseline
[10:19] {dino} gun to the head...up or down
[10:19] {magoo} do NOT make me slap u again nemo lol
[10:19] {dino} up imo
[10:19] {Threei} Qs, stop for the balance is still right under 29,
[10:20] {magoo} down retest low...upo to moon
[10:20] {Threei} try to offer it between .40 and .50
[10:20] {Nemo} magoo, you'll knock my scales off
[10:20] {dino} alright jackie gleason
[10:24] {Threei} everyone's OK on Qs?
[10:24] {Geo} stopped second
[10:24] {Threei} yup
[10:24] {Threei} scapers win
[10:24] {hawkfan4} yep, took scalp thx
[10:24] {Geo} i took 2/3 on 1:1 as wasnt sure
[10:25] {Threei} can't blame you
[10:26] {Geo} wanted to keep a little to learn to hold
[10:26] {Threei} instead learned how to take a tightened stop on partial
[10:26] {Threei} lesson too :)
[10:26] {Geo} good one
[10:26] {Threei} this is just a paret of trade management
[10:26] {Geo} yup
[10:27] {Threei} routine procedure as stock moves in your favor
[10:27] {lisa_jay} Looks like going to test lows.
[10:27] {Threei} 1;1, sell part (unless scalp intended),
[10:27] {Threei} trail stop to undeer breakeven
[10:27] {Geo} 17 cents TY vad
[10:27] {Threei} 1:2, sell 1/4 more, trail stop to under 1:1
[10:27] {Threei} then either take full out on the next spike
[10:28] {Threei} or stop taking profits and simply trail your stop under each next taken resistance
[10:28] {Threei} letting stock stop you out when it reverses
[10:28] {_Bruce} klac short on 18 break
[10:29] {Threei} if stays below .15 - .20 zone, bruce?
[10:29] {Geo} chrsler cutting 25% of white collars
[10:29] {_Bruce} agreed vad
[10:30] {lisa_jay} Thanks Vad, now i don't have to read the book.
[10:30] {Geo} lol
[10:30] {magoo} vad..may i add
[10:31] {magoo} i truly believe u must layout offers at exit points...be first out
[10:31] {Threei} of course lisa... I didn't :)
[10:31] {Threei} especially on volatile stocks, yes, mags
[10:31] {magoo} i just laid goog out 339.21
[10:31] {Threei} but be ready to hit the bid if stock comes into your selling point and stalls
[10:31] {Nemo} don't forget baidu
[10:31] {magoo} neversaw it but got fill and it fell 2 points
[10:32] {Threei} nothing's worse as missing your sale by couple cents pnly to see stock reversing and your profit evaporating
[10:32] {Geo} yes there is
[10:32] {Geo} ho about going neg and me hoping and praying
[10:32] {Geo} used to do that a lot
[10:33] {Geo} now hard stops like dino saves me the angst
[10:34] {Threei} first emotions calmed down
[10:34] {magoo} he still dishes out alot ALOT of angdst
[10:34] {Threei} market narrowed a bit
[10:34] {dino} out ice .45, +1.20
06[10:34] * Geo slaps magoo around a bit with a large trout
[10:35] {Threei} dino the money machine
[10:35] {Geo} me dishes out a trout
[10:35] {Threei} wtg'
[10:35] {Geo} ncie dino
[10:35] {dino} ty
[10:35] {magoo} wtg on trout?
[10:35] {dino} went another .80
[10:35] {Geo} ice has become dino's atm
[10:35] {Threei} my working assumption here is beginning of a slow climb
[10:35] {dino} its the vodka theory
[10:36] {dino} use ice w/vodka and it taste better
[10:36] {magoo} well alrighty then.....im in thaty theorty
[10:36] {Threei} NQ holding above 1180 and breaking 1190 would be a first confirmation
[10:36] {Threei} in Q terms, holding above 29 and breaking 29.30
[10:37] {Threei} pullback entries are still better than breaks
[10:37] {Threei} so, the way to play it safe would be:
[10:37] {Threei} get Qs as close to 29 as possible,
[10:37] {Threei} keep tight stop,
[10:37] {Threei} aim to sell half closer to 29.30
[10:37] {Threei} hold the balance for break and climb
[10:37] {Threei} may take a few tries
[10:38] {Threei} so don't do it unless you are willing to take a few tight stops in the process
[10:39] {_Bruce} s klac 18.13 w 9c stop
[10:40] {Threei} in .07
[10:40] {Threei} stop about 28.95
[10:41] {dino} mkl holding
[10:41] {_Bruce} stopped klac
06[10:42] * Threei kicks the market in the rear with heavy duty steel-toed army boots
[10:42] {Threei} oops... that wasn't rear?
[10:44] {Threei} 1:1 here for scalpers
[10:44] {Threei} keeping my plan though
[10:44] {Threei} offering half .27
[10:45] {Threei} hit
[10:45] {Threei} let's break that .30 now, shall we?
[10:46] {Threei} anyone joined the play?
[10:46] {Geo} me
[10:46] {hawkfan4} i'm in too
[10:46] {Geo} half out at .2 got 15 cents
[10:46] {Threei} okay
[10:46] {Threei} let's see if second part pans out
[10:46] {lisa_jay} Sorry, i am just with popcorn today.
[10:47] {Threei} chicken wings?
[10:47] {Threei} anyone of guests went for it?
[10:47] {Threei} laid out plan well in advance
[10:48] {Threei} come on guys, maake your stay with us worthwhile
[10:48] {Chaeron} Good morning all
[10:48] {Threei} chaeron :)
[10:49] {magoo} chaerbroil:)
[10:49] {Geo} hey chaeron
[10:49] {dino} slap them all 3i, slap them all
[10:49] {Threei} hmmm
[10:49] {Geo} the Q is
[10:49] {Chaeron} hey mags, Geo
[10:49] {Geo} are they even here?
[10:50] {Threei} my idea of hospitality must be outdated, lol
[10:50] {Threei} grow a set market, will ya?
[10:50] {Threei} time to break
[10:50] {Nemo} Vad: Q climbing a bit, but volume dropping...not good? Seems other stocks doing same.
[10:51] {Threei} broke
[10:51] {_coyote} In 29.25 Q's
[10:51] {Threei} you know, volume at this point is not very indicative for a simple reason:
[10:51] {Threei} opening was panicky one
[10:51] {Threei} adding a lot of unusual volume
[10:51] {Nemo} thanks
[10:52] {Threei} so hard to find the base for comparison
[10:52] {Threei} ok guys, make up your mind here
[10:52] {Threei} full out or 1/4
[10:52] {_coyote} out 29.38 in full small lot. Thank you sir.
[10:52] {Geo} all out at 40
[10:52] {Geo} 35 cents TY
[10:52] {Threei} good job coyote
[10:53] {Threei} for 12 cents initial stop we have solid 35 or so gain
[10:53] {Threei} 1:3
[10:53] {Threei} my original idea of this trade was slow steady climb
[10:53] {Threei} and so far it's getting confirmed
[10:53] {Threei} so, to me, it's 1/4 out
[10:53] {Threei} and trailing last portion
[10:54] {Threei} letting masrket stop me out on reversal
[10:54] {Geo} you trail manuall right?
[10:54] {Threei} who tells me where to put a stop for it now?
[10:54] {Threei} yes
[10:54] {Geo} 1:1?
[10:54] {lisa_jay} Under 20
[10:54] {Threei} lisa gets the prize
[10:55] {Threei} that's where last pullback bottomed out
[10:55] {Threei} new suppoort level
[10:55] {Threei} if gets broken, uptrend is violated
[10:55] {dino} ot: coyote, you're not joe by any chance?
[10:55] {Threei} 10:50 10:51 bars formed that support on 1 min
[10:56] {Chaeron} lol
[10:56] {Geo} sigh
[10:56] {Geo} vad wins
[10:56] {_coyote} no coyote bob
[10:56] {magoo} c'mon mkt go go goooooooooooo
[10:56] {dino} ok, buddy of mine goes by that name
[10:57] {hawkfan4} i was thinking Wiley
[10:57] {_coyote} would be a friend of mine also dino
[10:57] {Geo} i was thinking ugly
[10:57] {hawkfan4} lol
[10:57] {_coyote} that too geo
[10:58] {Nemo} That's Wile E.
[10:58] {Geo} nice memories of vegas ummmmmm
[10:58] {hawkfan4} ah, thx Nemo :)
[10:58] {_coyote} indian slots for me
[10:59] {Nemo} Yeah, he was like Clouseau's boss to the roadrunner
[10:59] {dino} indeed he would, crazy one
[11:00] {_coyote} coyote joe's can be dino
[11:00] {lisa_jay} Vad, would you move stops to under 28 now?
[11:00] {Threei} track the logic further as we progress: latest pullback bottomed out at .30 -.32
[11:00] {Threei} so new breakout, and yes, stop is trailed under that level
[11:00] {Threei} .50 taken, stop is trailed
[11:01] {Threei} at any of these breaks, you face a decision, to take profit or continue trailing
[11:01] {Geo} classic vad
[11:01] {Threei} pretty much personal preference,
[11:01] {lisa_jay} If it was a breakout pull back trade, would you have bought at .31?
[11:01] {Threei} I'd say good compromise is this:
[11:01] {magoo} gonna get slapped...but feels green
[11:01] {Threei} continue trailing if it takes resistance and climbs slowly again,
[11:02] {Threei} and take it if breakout leades to insanely sharp spike
[11:02] {Threei} yes lisa
[11:02] {Threei} not going to get slapped magoo
[11:03] {Threei} not that you don't deserve it... just that you enjoy it and I decided to withold it
[11:03] {dino} fcx sm l .80, clf sm l .30
[11:06] {Threei} need break of .60 now to trail stop further
[11:06] {Threei} last pullback bottomed at just under .40
[11:07] {Threei} so that's where stop is going to be moved to if/when .60 is broken
[11:08] {Threei} one more way to trail it: if Qs go over .50 from here, .40 can be considered mini - double bottom
[11:08] {Threei} and stop can be moved without waiting for .60 to be broken
[11:08] {Threei} for now it's still under .30
[11:09] {Threei} any questions guys?
[11:09] {Nemo} sfsg
[11:09] {Threei} this trade is so textbook, make sure you understand all the elements of it
[11:09] {Geo} classic
[11:10] {Nemo} like a fine wine
[11:10] {Threei} my scanner appears to be broken today again... don't see any new 52 week high alerts
[11:12] {Nemo} yeah, just ran that filter "returns no requests" lol
[11:12] {Threei} :)
[11:12] {Threei} been this way for three weeks already
[11:12] {Threei} why don't programmers fix it.. I already complained
[11:12] {Nemo} just ra 52 week lows-crashed my computer
[11:12] {Threei} OK Qs
[11:13] {Threei} holding or stopping me out?
[11:13] {Threei} stopping
[11:13] {Threei} out last part
[11:13] {hawkfan4} nice trade vad
[11:13] {Threei} .27, , .42 and .28
[11:14] {Threei} ty
[11:14] {dino} gj
[11:15] {_Bruce} s msft 22.19 10 c stop
[11:15] {Threei} things lost clarity here a bit
[11:16] {Threei} gotta wait out until something shapes up again
[11:17] {Threei} I find it hard to believe emotions won;'t flare up again sometime today
[11:17] {Threei} they simply must
[11:17] {Threei} IMF: LIQUIDITY ACTION PLANS ARE ORIGINATING FROM SOME LATIN AMERICAN DIRECTORS ON THE BOARD
[11:17] {Threei} - plan still under discussion, yet to be finalized
06[11:17] * _Bruce slaps magoo around a bit with a large trout
[11:17] {Nemo} Friday towards end of day should be a fire drill. Then again, that means it won't. Was I vacillating enough on tht
[11:18] {_Bruce} sorry mags - emotional outburst there
[11:18] {Threei} we had similar situation two weeks ago I think nemo
[11:18] {Threei} or three
[11:18] {magoo} :)
[11:18] {Threei} whole week it was hard selling closer to eodn,
[11:18] {Nemo} you mean every friday
[11:18] {Threei} eod
[11:18] {Nemo} or is that DOA?
[11:18] {Threei} then on Fri I said won't happen today,
[11:18] {Threei} became too easy for shorts,
[11:19] {Threei} and the notion that no one wants to be long into weekend was too obvious
[11:19] {Threei} what do you know
[11:19] {Nemo} UYG gently rolling over
[11:19] {Threei} rally into end of day
06[11:19] * dino slaps _Bruce around a bit with a large trout
[11:19] {Threei} killing those who decided they figured it out once and for all
[11:19] {dino} burn 'em all ike
[11:20] {Threei} that's how market operates... lulling you into compacency, then reversing course of action when you least expect it
[11:20] {_Bruce} ouch
[11:20] {dino} out clf .70, +.40
[11:20] {_Bruce} feeding trout to vads cat
[11:20] {Threei} spike out of nowhere
[11:21] {Nemo} my piscine sensitivities, please!!!
[11:21] {magoo} was one other factor vad
[11:21] {Threei} don't see any news for it
[11:21] {Threei} remind me mags
[11:21] {Nemo} uyg just bolted
[11:21] {magoo} that was when they were trying to get that bill passed over weekend
[11:21] {dino} out fcx .65, +.85
[11:21] {_coyote} in 29.61 Q's
[11:21] {dino} are we having fun yet?
[11:21] {Threei} no, that was after bill passed
[11:22] {Threei} OK, how's tht for a meanigful headline:
[11:22] {Threei} (US) TREASURY AIDE SAYS TREASURY SEC PAULSON IS CONTINUING TO WATCH MARKETS
[11:22] {dino} hawk you catch any of those?
[11:22] {dino} over daily
[11:23] {Threei} too bad this spike didn't occur while were still in QQQQ
[11:23] {_coyote} out in full small lot 29.74, 1:1 scalp. Thank you sir.
[11:23] {hawkfan4} not yours dino, but having a good one
[11:23] {Threei} I would be dumping into such sharp one
[11:23] {dino} you shall get another try, patience 3i
[11:23] {Geo} lol
[11:23] {Threei} good job coyote
[11:23] {dino} glad to hear hawk
[11:24] {Threei} not my kmind of entry
[11:24] {_coyote} Thank you sir!
[11:24] {Threei} but worked out nicely
[11:24] {Threei} the reason I personally skip this kind of entries:
[11:24] {Threei} ewhile .61 was formally a breakout level,
[11:25] {Threei} Qs spiked vertically into this resistance
[11:25] {magoo} just want to say to guests...histioric mkt last 2 days...how many trading rooms make u SAFE $$ in that environment?
[11:25] {magoo} SAFE key
[11:25] {magoo} i 3 times my daily here
[11:25] {Threei} I prefer to take breakouts after consolidation, not on a spike
[11:25] {dino} you trading safe?
[11:25] {Threei} wow mags
[11:25] {Threei} 3 x daily today?
[11:26] {Geo} wow dino
[11:26] {magoo} yes
[11:26] {Geo} you killing google bidu?
[11:26] {Threei} fantastic job, congrats
[11:26] {magoo} yes
[11:26] {Geo} me at 1x here
[11:26] {magoo} in right now
[11:26] {_coyote} Thank you for pointing that out threei
[11:26] {Threei} just be careful not to squander it
[11:26] {magoo} but i cant post could kill a guest
[11:26] {Threei} put a trailing stop on account
[11:26] {Nemo} rimm taking off
[11:26] {magoo} in bidu 91
[11:27] {Geo} makes sense dino
[11:27] {Geo} oops magoo
[11:27] {Threei} any money made on this kind of days should be framed and put on a wall
[11:27] {Geo} a lo of em too fast to post
[11:27] {magoo} ok out here .96.31
[11:27] {magoo} to many points to figure out
[11:28] {Threei} lol
[11:28] {dino} amzn spike
[11:28] {Geo} hey dino there is an article with a scan on it too....... similar to yours
[11:28] {Geo} http://marketmovers.blogspot.com/2008/10/strategy-session-over-extended-up-move.html
06[11:28] * Threei mails magoo a calculator
[11:28] {magoo} uh..carry the 2..minus the um...6points?
[11:28] {magoo} nope.....5.67?
[11:28] {magoo} nope
06[11:28] * Geo faints
[11:28] {magoo} ...ah 5.32
[11:28] {Geo} thats ok
[11:28] {Geo} 6 was impressive
06[11:28] * Threei mails magoo an abacus
[11:29] {Threei} or is it abakus?
[11:29] {Geo} abackas
[11:29] {dino} framed on wall, no way 3i, goes to bar tab
[11:29] {Nemo} abacus
[11:29] {Geo} i got it
[11:29] {Threei} ok dino... then how about scanning it and framing the print?
[11:29] {Geo} abacchus
[11:29] {magoo} if IF i make call...it will be 100-200 shartes max...and wiggle room of 200 bux stop OK?
[11:30] {Geo} scarrrryyyy
[11:30] {magoo} can make points or get killed if u blow stop
[11:30] {Geo} wo NQ
[11:30] {Threei} yeah, you guys who don't know magoo, be careful with his picks, his personal risk tolerance is not really humane
[11:30] {magoo} indeed
[11:30] {Geo} indeed
[11:31] {magoo} vad told me no pics in room for open house or else
[11:31] {magoo} probation {again..sigh}
[11:31] {Threei} lol... not really true, just asked for disclaimer :)
[11:31] {lisa_jay} How long you been trading Magoo?
[11:31] {Threei} kind of: OK guys, I am insane, keep that in mind when follow me
[11:32] {magoo} dec.1999
[11:32] {magoo} so um..carry the 3..12 years
[11:32] {Geo} sheesh
[11:32] {lisa_jay} With Vad?
[11:32] {Geo} not even 1 here
[11:33] {magoo} uh..8 yrs..wait.....9 yrs dino?
06[11:33] * Threei sends magoo calculator, abacus AND sliding ruler
[11:33] {Geo} no wonder youre killing
[11:33] {lisa_jay} You are holding your own too Geo.
[11:33] {Nemo} might as well toss in a sundial
[11:33] {magoo} started with ding dong
[11:33] {Geo} nope
[11:33] {Geo} i am holding vad's apron
[11:33] {magoo} dino that is
[11:33] {dino} fast drop
[11:34] {dino} fast drop
[11:34] {dino} opps
[11:34] {magoo} how long we been with vad dino??
[11:34] {Nemo} this is turning into a "normal" day. sheesh
[11:35] {Threei} watch AMZN for long on pullback if drops into 50
[11:35] {dino} vad 3 years?
[11:35] {magoo} vad how long i been with ya??
[11:35] {Threei} hmmm... goltta look
[11:35] {Threei} gimme a few
[11:35] {magoo} few what? brews lol
[11:35] {Nemo} Vad just figure out how log you've had that rash
[11:36] {dino} lol
[11:36] {Threei} rofl
[11:36] {magoo} that does it !!!!!!!!!
06[11:36] * magoo slaps Nemo around a bit with a large trout
[11:36] {Threei} from 08/12/2005
[11:36] {magoo} thats 2 nemo
[11:36] {Threei} wow, you are recent arrival
[11:36] {Chaeron} I'm afraid to ask how long Threei....
[11:36] {Threei} we have original members still
[11:37] {Threei} chaeron is one
[11:37] {Threei} since inception
[11:37] {Chaeron} and before that even
[11:37] {Threei} cosmo is another
[11:37] {Threei} on a break today
[11:37] {magoo} i was a lil reckless when i met vad
[11:37] {Nemo} We need adult supervision
[11:37] {Chaeron} yeah.... and now you're just safe and sane, huh?
[11:38] {Geo} i was wondering if chaeron took the prize
[11:38] {Chaeron} in many catagories Geo
[11:38] {Geo} of course :)
[11:38] {Chaeron} mostly for PIA
[11:39] {Geo} pia?
[11:39] {Chaeron} PITA sorry
[11:39] {Chaeron} Pain In The...
[11:39] {Geo} its a calling my friend
[11:39] {Chaeron} Raven's been here for eons
[11:40] {magoo} laserdave must be original
[11:40] {Geo} nah
[11:40] {Threei} no
[11:40] {Geo} he probably was in high schol when vad started
[11:40] {Geo} middle
[11:40] {Threei} laser is from 2004 I think
[11:40] {Geo} no disrespect of course
[11:41] {_Bruce} ffiv trying to break long
[11:41] {Threei} can't believe I run this thing for 8 years already
[11:41] {Chaeron} saw a story about 5 years ago about a 16yo kid that made 6figures before going to school every day... his parents were so proud
[11:42] {Geo} hmmm
[11:42] {Nemo} sellin' in the parking lot before class
[11:42] {Geo} same could who got indited for touting penny stocks?
[11:42] {Chaeron} that was annually, but traded daily...
[11:43] {Chaeron} nooo... he traded from 6:30am til about 8am and then went to school... Northern CA
[11:43] {Chaeron} wish I could get my 7 yo to trade my account... he'd do better than me
[11:44] {Chaeron} then again, Vad's cat does that now
[11:44] {Geo} hehe
[11:45] {Geo} chaer
[11:45] {Geo} dcc
[11:45] {Nemo} oh is that vad's cat. I thought vad had the sense of humor :)
[11:46] {Threei} I do
[11:46] {Threei} it's just not funny
[11:47] {Chaeron} yeah... and your jokes are, huh? :)
[11:47] {Threei} resoundingly not
[11:47] {Threei} but hey... I laugh at them
[11:47] {Geo} wow vad
[11:47] {Chaeron} as bad as your singing
[11:47] {Threei} and that's all I care about
[11:47] {Geo} right on the slow grind up
[11:48] {Threei} should end soon enough though geo
[11:48] {Chaeron} DRYS on 16.87 break?
[11:48] {Chaeron} ok... scratch that one then
[11:48] {Threei} I hate its volatility chaeron
[11:49] {Geo} hey didnt know intelliscan released a mobile version
[11:49] {Threei} can be real killer
[11:49] {Chaeron} yeah... but done well with it... scary tho, you're right
[11:50] {Nemo} gold and silver miners rising
[11:50] {Threei} a lot of volatile stocks out there, but this one has some disgusting quality about it
[11:51] {Threei} SLW into breakeven territory
[11:51] {Threei} dumping second half here makes up for the stop on a first half
[11:51] {Nemo} aem kgc all up over 10%
[11:52] {Nemo} manure companies making a comebac,
[11:52] {Threei} interesting that UAUA i not participating in this party
[11:53] {Threei} anyone's up to try and short it with stop above 13?
[11:53] {dino} dropping
[11:54] {magoo} it has the magoo pattented flatline
06[11:54] * laserdave1 slaps Threei around a bit with a large trout
06[11:54] * Geo slaps laserdave1 around a bit with a large trout
[11:54] {Threei} great... he sneaks in unnoticed again
06[11:54] * laserdave1 slaps Geo around a bit with a large trout
06[11:54] * laserdave1 slaps Chaeron around a bit with a large trout
06[11:54] * magoo slaps laserdave1 around a bit with a large trout
06[11:54] * laserdave1 slaps magoo around a bit with a large trout
[11:54] {Chaeron} morning Dave
[11:54] {laserdave1} good morning
[11:54] {Nemo} The roe is everywhere
[11:54] {laserdave1} more carnage today
[11:54] {magoo} thats quite an entrance bro
[11:54] {Threei} now, who is going to ventilate the room? all this fishy smell...
[11:55] {laserdave1} i just know how to swing the trout...........sorry
[11:55] {_Bruce} magoo vents room w gas
[11:55] {Threei} dave... why isn't UAUA shotable?
[11:56] {Threei} says can't short as per SEC
[11:56] {Threei} must be some error, SEC ban is off
[11:56] {laserdave1} i will try and figure that out
[11:56] {Threei} or just no inventory?
[11:56] {Threei} ty, tel us know pls
[11:56] {hawkfan4} i have it available
[11:56] {laserdave1} is there any other stocks you had that message on?
[11:56] {laserdave1} you can short it hawk?
[11:57] {Threei} tel = let typed by dyslexic
[11:57] {hawkfan4} yep
[11:57] {hawkfan4} wasnt yesterday
[11:57] {laserdave1} hmmm weird ok
[11:57] {laserdave1} i willl check and see whats up with that
[11:57] {Threei} there was one more yesterday with this message
[11:57] {Threei} can't remember symbol
[11:58] {Threei} JPM I think
[11:59] {laserdave1} ok
[12:01] {magoo} fslr vad yesterday
[12:01] {magoo} but ok today
[12:01] {Threei} (US) TREASURY IS CIRCULATING A QUESTIONAIRE ASKING DEALERS WHETHER MORE CAN BE DONE TO CALM MARKETS, INCLUDING AN ALTERED CALENDAR
[12:01] {Threei} huh?
[12:01] {Threei} told you they are going to cancel Monday and October
[12:01] {Threei} and possibly whole fall
[12:01] {dino} michelle carusa-cabrerra looking mighty fine today
[12:02] {Threei} altered calendar?? :)
[12:02] {lisa_jay} CNBC ladies looks dependent on our P&L for the day.
[12:02] {Chaeron} I suggested in the write in area "Mayan Calendar"
[12:02] {dino} hmmm, 4 day week coming
[12:03] {Chaeron} oh heck no... please dino...
[12:04] {lisa_jay} Vad, AMZN getting closer to that 50 level.
[12:04] {magoo} vad..how u think boone pickenms is doing?
[12:04] {Threei} getting killed?
[12:04] {dino} i'm wyou chaer, you want volitility, limit trading days, better if 24/7
[12:04] {Chaeron} exactly
[12:05] {Chaeron} sometimes the opposite of what is evident is what is necessary
[12:05] {Threei} yes lisa... watch NASDAQ though, feeling is it's easy to switch to down here
[12:05] {dino} i.e. the short ban
[12:05] {dino} no horts, no buyers
[12:06] {magoo} i like qid long vad..not in..but stalking that
[12:06] {Threei} yes, and Q short
[12:06] {Threei} stop above 30
[12:07] {Threei} first weakness from here
[12:08] {Threei} another one of those "could take a few tries" plays
[12:08] {magoo} u talking to me
[12:08] {Threei} to Qs
[12:08] {Threei} and whoever is willing to listen to me
[12:08] {Threei} which apparently is not very many {Grin}
[12:09] {peterg} Q or qqqq?
[12:09] {Threei} Qs = QQQQ
[12:11] {_coyote} in Q's small lot
[12:12] {_coyote} stop 29.80
[12:13] {_coyote} out in full 1:1 scalp
[12:13] {_coyote} half
[12:14] {_coyote} out last half 30.04, 2:1 . Thank you Vad.
[12:14] {Threei} ummm
[12:14] {Threei} welcome of course
[12:15] {lisa_jay} :-)
[12:15] {dino} gj wiley e.
[12:15] {Threei} although you played it long while I was thinking short :)
[12:15] {Threei} but hey, you got it right :)
[12:16] {magoo} too funny
[12:16] {magoo} i was thinking sh also
[12:17] {_coyote} no 29.90 1:1 half
[12:17] {_coyote} hey magoo you want to take it outside?
[12:18] {Threei} lol
[12:18] {Geo} hmm
[12:18] {Geo} aggressive guests
06[12:18] * Geo liking it
[12:18] {magoo} sigh
[12:18] {magoo} lol
[12:18] {Geo} see when magoo is over 3x
[12:19] {Geo} he doesnt care anynore
[12:19] {Threei} yeah, making money makes him warm and fuzzy
[12:19] {Geo} nice image vad
[12:20] {magoo} so does all the vodka vad
[12:21] {magoo} its noon here east coaste
[12:21] {dino} something tells me magoo and i are drinking tonight
[12:21] {Threei} and you are still sober??
[12:21] {Threei} running 3 hours behind your schedule I see
[12:24] {_Muddleheaded} Vad, would you consider FLEX a possible JBE candidate?
[12:25] {dino} 3:30 standard schedule 3i. you trying to get me in trouble
[12:25] {Threei} not a perfect one Muddle
[12:25] {Threei} a few things about it
[12:25] {Threei} first, I like JBE to form at the day's high
[12:25] {Threei} not that I ignore others, but day high ones are more effective
[12:26] {Threei} second, in this case, it was .75 break for JBE to trigger,
[12:26] {Threei} but the low of the consolidation range was .68
[12:26] {Threei} and it got broke
[12:26] {Threei} brken
[12:26] {Threei} broken
[12:27] {Threei} there, got it on a third try
[12:27] {Threei} and finally, it's just too narrow
[12:27] {Nemo} put the vodka down before you type, doh!!!
[12:27] {Threei} it breaks .75, next resistance is right there ar .80
[12:27] {_Muddleheaded} O.K. thanks.
[12:27] {Threei} you kidding Nemo? how am I supposed to type then at all?
[12:28] {ese} noticed alot of issues up on very litle volume......selling pressure starting ato abate a little do ya think....????
[12:28] {Nemo} use a hydration pack
[12:28] {ese} for example HITT 197K up 3.00
[12:28] {hawkfan4} GLD running
[12:29] {Geo} vad does open house end today?
[12:29] {dino} re-test in the making imo
[12:29] {Threei} you got tired of keeping your hair combed geo?
[12:29] {Geo} lol
[12:30] {Threei} Qs short had worked on seond try if anyone went for it
[12:30] {Geo} just curious
[12:30] {magoo} my idea
[12:30] {hawkfan4} thank you both :)
[12:30] {magoo} qid long he he
[12:30] {dino} geo doesn't have any hair left
[12:30] {Geo} hey !
[12:31] {Threei} oh I see... you went overboard, put suit and tie on, and now suffocating
[12:31] {magoo} dino just brought in bacon vad, can u smell it
[12:31] {Geo} i have lusticious hair
[12:31] {Geo} just greying after the kids
[12:32] {Geo} i like these new words
[12:33] {ese} lust what???
[12:33] {peterg} lustable
[12:33] {peterg} only formal form
[12:33] {peterg} lusticious
[12:33] {Geo} lutable + luscious
[12:34] {magoo} magoo looking up those words in his pictionary
[12:35] {Threei} hawk, you went for Qs short?
[12:36] {hawkfan4} i did, but with nq
[12:36] {Threei} sure, same thing
[12:37] {Geo} where hawk?
[12:37] {Geo} you use booktrade hawk?
[12:37] {dptl} ssri?
[12:37] {hawkfan4} no
[12:38] {Threei} too extended dp
[12:38] {Threei} it's a silver play
[12:38] {dptl} ok ty
[12:40] {laserdave1} magoo dcc please
[12:41] {dino} oh oh magoo's in trouble
[12:48] {Threei} amazing how action slowed down on what promised to be highly emotionally charged day
[12:52] {_coyote} sold adbe at 23.80 risking 10 cents
[12:53] {_coyote} out 23.70, 1:1 scalp is that funny?
[12:53] {dino} gj
[12:54] {dino} watching ice, mcd
[12:54] {_coyote} Thanks dino!
[12:54] {Nemo} BC made that point of Futures not being indicative because they only indicated incoming sell orders
[12:54] {dino} rig too, if oih turns
[12:56] {Nemo} this gold bounce might not be long lived with the $ up again and oil down
[12:58] {Threei} why funny coyote... valid trade
[12:58] {_coyote} Thank you sir!
[13:01] {magoo} LASER DCC
[13:02] {_coyote} in lvs 6.61 long
[13:03] {magoo} vad, u got anything going?
[13:03] {magoo} was opn phone
[13:03] {Threei} no mags, things narrowed down too much, need something to start happening
[13:03] {_coyote} risking 10 cents sm lot
[13:04] {_coyote} tapped out lvs
[13:05] {Threei} support is 6.50 coyote... I'd kepp stop under it
[13:05] {Threei} until it's not broken, trade is not stopped
[13:05] {Threei} ummm... you'd have to translate that to English... but I guess you got the meaning :)
[13:06] {Threei} now it's stopped
[13:06] {Nemo} it's vadinglish
[13:06] {Threei} also known as pidgin
[13:06] {Nemo} that's actually spelle correctly
[13:06] {Nemo} I did that for you
[13:10] {_coyote} Thank you Threei...here to learn..that is good stuff.
[13:10] {Nemo} PNC buying NCC
[13:11] {Threei} yeah, posted it early in the morning
[13:11] {Nemo} sorry
[13:13] {Threei} anyone took UAUA short mentioned earlier?
[13:13] {_Bruce} amgn at dalily high
[13:13] {Threei} [11:52] {Threei} interesting that UAUA i not participating in this party
[13:13] {Threei} [11:53] {Threei} anyone's up to try and short it with stop above 13?
[13:14] {Geo} nope
[13:14] {Geo} have your pool
[13:14] {Threei} went down over 50 cents
[13:14] {Threei} over 40, sorry
[13:16] {Threei} I wish we got that panic selloff today and be done with it
[13:17] {Geo} looks like down a bit
[13:17] {peterg} and lose the possibility of more pain for longer time?
[13:17] {_Bruce} want to see panic?
[13:17] {Threei} there is no feel of panic to today at all
[13:17] {Threei} lol peter
[13:17] {_Bruce} tell mags abouyt the big wins he missed
[13:17] {Threei} hehe
06[13:18] * magoo slaps _Bruce around a bit with a large trout
[13:18] {_Bruce} zion trying to break long here
[13:18] {Chaeron} me too..missed because of pc probs... and you know I love UAUA Threei
[13:18] {peterg} Magoo;s bellweathers are up, aapl & rimm
[13:19] {dino} up?
[13:19] {Threei} pace picks up
[13:19] {peterg} from open
[13:20] {peterg} yeah lights flash faster, time & sales zoom
[13:20] {_coyote} Vad, short this rally in uaua?
[13:20] {Threei} not clear where
[13:20] {Threei} need some indication other than just 20 cents move
[13:21] {_coyote} 12.60
[13:21] {Threei} why not .70 or .80?
[13:21] {Threei} I mean, it could very well top out here,
[13:21] {Threei} but what is there to indicate that?
[13:21] {_coyote} OK ..thanks.. got your point.
[13:22] {Threei} I am not a fun of arbitrary entries
[13:22] {peterg} or a fan
[13:22] {Threei} or that
[13:22] {peterg} they can be fun
[13:22] {Threei} no structure to setup, no clean indication where to place stop
[13:22] {peterg} but lead to..................
[13:22] {peterg} splat
[13:23] {_coyote} learning..learning thank you
[13:23] {dino} ice sm l wide risky .50
[13:23] {peterg} thats why I joined this club, cz I was going to self-destruct without some structure
[13:23] {_coyote} that is it in a nutshell peterg
[13:23] {peterg} yep!
[13:23] {Threei} now look at its further action:
[13:24] {Threei} it tagged .60 twice,
[13:24] {Threei} effectively for ming mini double top
[13:24] {Threei} little consolidation to define breakdown level
[13:24] {_coyote} OK i'm following you...
[13:24] {Threei} and break of that level will become a shiort trigger with clear stop level above .60
[13:25] {Threei} this is in a nutshell my approach - let the stock to form a readable structured setup
[13:25] {Threei} offering you clear trigger and clear stop
[13:26] {_coyote} would that mean sell around 12.53 trigger?
[13:26] {Threei} no clean nice consolidation so far
[13:26] {Threei} can't tell
[13:27] {_coyote} OK got it.. thanks Vad..lots to learn here.
[13:28] {lisa_jay} Coyote, I am new too. Just got Vads cds and books.
[13:29] {Threei} you remind me lisa... I need to read that too
[13:29] {lisa_jay} Looking forward to digging into them over the weekend...if kids let me.
[13:29] {_coyote} Great lisa..we can lear together..i have books/course also.
[13:29] {Threei} wasn't there a babysitter packed in the box??
[13:29] {lisa_jay} You can borrow mine...if you don't mind pink stains from markers on them.
[13:29] {Threei} you may have gotten incomplete package...
[13:29] {lisa_jay} Ran away once he saw my kids.
[13:30] {magoo} what books u talking about lisa?
[13:30] {Threei} .49 short Qs
[13:30] {_coyote} We learn together also
[13:30] {Threei} if stays below .65
[13:31] {Threei} just a scalp most likely
[13:31] {lisa_jay} Oh, scalping course, and Master Profit Plan.
[13:32] {Threei} stop to above .60
[13:32] {laserdave1} Hey guys i checked into UAUA
[13:32] {laserdave1} it is just hard to borrow today
[13:32] {Threei} OK, so just incorrect message code
[13:32] {laserdave1} it is not per sec
[13:33] {Threei} thought so, ty dave
[13:33] {laserdave1} yes hopefully we can shot it tomorrow
[13:33] {laserdave1} nprobs
[13:33] {_coyote} in q's at 29.50
[13:33] {Threei} careful with advise to shoot it dave
[13:33] {laserdave1} haha
[13:33] {Chaeron} short QQQQ @ 29.47 here
[13:34] {Threei} you can get in troubles
[13:35] {Threei} bands are widening under Qs, should drop more
[13:35] {_coyote} ok risking 15 cents to 29.65
[13:35] {Threei} I'd trail it to above .60 here
[13:36] {Threei} want to keep it tight in jerky market,. even at risk of being shaken out
[13:36] {Threei} if small lot, keep it at original level
[13:37] {Threei} volume dropped significantly on bounce, bodes well so far
[13:38] {Threei} volume increase on drtop
[13:39] {Threei} so far so good
[13:39] {Threei} 1:1
[13:39] {Geo} half out .35
[13:39] {Threei} nice and easy
[13:39] {Threei} stop is never geopardized, easy money
[13:39] {Threei} that's how we like it
[13:40] {lisa_jay} 4 for 4 today Vad...very easy trades. Too bad I decided to eat chicken wings and not trade.
[13:40] {Threei} Geopardized??
[13:40] {_coyote} out 29.35 in full 1:1.5 i think Thank you Vad
[13:40] {Threei} sigh
[13:40] {Threei} welcome guys
[13:40] {Geo} GEOpardise
[13:40] {Chaeron} I wasn't going to say anything
[13:40] {Threei} that's Geo's influence
[13:40] {Geo} see chaeron i told ya word revolves arounfd me
[13:41] {Threei} (as if I need anyone's influence to type badly)
[13:41] {Geo} crap
[13:41] {dino} chicken wings, nice
[13:42] {Threei} one thing is for sure guys... whatever it is you may learn from me it's NOT the typing/spelling skills
[13:42] {_coyote} actually 1:1 on Q's trade
[13:42] {Threei} yes coyote
[13:44] {_Muddleheaded} Why short the Q's and not buy QID?
[13:45] {Threei} same thing Muddle, I just don't always have a chance to type both
[13:45] {Geo} or NQ
[13:45] {_Muddleheaded} O.K. thanks.
[13:45] {Threei} if you prefer QID, understanding of setup I mean to play will give you corresponding levels on QID
[13:46] {Geo} too some at 1:1.5
[13:46] {lisa_jay} QID has wider stops and teleports
[13:47] {Threei} yes, more volatility to it
[13:47] {Geo} heheheh i find it tougher to calculate 1:1 etc in shorts
[13:48] {Geo} subtraction is tough
[13:48] {Threei} sorry geo, I sent to magoo all devices I had to help with that
[13:48] {Threei} calculator, abakus and sliding ruler
[13:49] {Geo} 1:2 ?
[13:49] {Threei} 50 - 30 = 20
[13:49] {Chaeron} in QQQQ s @ 29.47 - out @ 29.20 + 0.27
[13:50] {laserdave1} mags
[13:50] {laserdave1} dcc please
[13:50] {Threei} hope it helps
[13:50] {Threei} wtg chaeron
[13:50] {dino} gj
[13:50] {Threei} or let me spell it out this way:
[13:50] {Geo} in .59 out .18
[13:50] {Threei} 50 - 15x2 = 20
[13:50] {Geo} .49 sorry
[13:51] {Geo} much better vad
[13:51] {Threei} where 15 is original stop size, 50 is trigger
[13:51] {_coyote} Much better to post entry on entry not 10 min later that way magoo
[13:51] {Geo} 31 cents beauty call vad
[13:52] {Geo} 2X !!!
[13:52] {_coyote} won't say it's funny
[13:52] {Threei} but after magoo had troubles figuring out how many years he traded since 1999... I just had to send him all that stuff
[13:53] {Threei} now... imagine us mathematically challenged types trading with fractions {grin}
[13:53] {_coyote} Your right Vad..I am done with that guy.
[13:53] {Geo} ?
[13:53] {Threei} what guy?
[13:53] {Geo} exactly
[13:54] {_coyote} magoo.
[13:54] {_coyote} lol
06[13:54] * Geo goes off in corner to count cents
[13:54] {Threei} careful... magoo is known for being quick on trout
06[13:54] * Chaeron misses fractions
[13:54] {_coyote} not turning my back on him
[13:55] {Threei} be thankful laserdave keeps him busy :)
[13:55] {Geo} and bidu
[13:55] {_coyote} Thanks laserdave!
[13:56] {dino} fdry
[13:56] {Geo} the one advice from magoo really paying out to me
[13:56] {Geo} laying out the tragets
[13:56] {Threei} wow
[13:56] {Geo} thanks magoo wherever you are !
[13:57] {Threei} ADJOURNED SHAREHOLDER MEETING TO WED 7PMET, DUE TO RECENT EVENTS IN TRANSACTION
[13:57] {Threei} no idea what it means for FDRY
[13:57] {Threei} but obviously nothing good, lol
[13:57] {dino} merger off maybe
[13:57] {Threei} didn't know they even planned one
[13:58] {Threei} ADJOURNED SHAREHOLDER MEETING AND VOTE ON MERGER AGREEMENT TO WED 7PMET, DUE TO RECENT EVENTS IN TRANSACTION
[13:58] {Threei} - vote had originally been scheduled for today.{BRCD FULT}
[13:59] {Geo} narrow range day
[14:00] {Threei} FDRY would disagree
[14:00] {Geo} vad you still in Qs?
[14:00] {Threei} nope, I designated it as scalp from the get go
[14:00] {Geo} ok
[14:01] {dino} v sm v wide fdry l .00
[14:01] {dino} too soon
[14:01] {Threei} both crashes, 1929 and 1987 occured in last days of October
[14:01] {Threei} 28 and 29 if I remember correct
[14:01] {Geo} man you old
[14:02] {patience} that's funny geo
[14:02] {patience} lol
[14:02] {Geo} he remembered?
[14:02] {Chaeron} soooo reshort QQQQ and go long QID til Halloween? :)
[14:02] {patience} i'm sure
[14:02] {Threei} and week days wise, fallen on Mon and Tue
[14:02] {Threei} having 27 -28 these Mon-Tue... fairly ominous :)
[14:03] {Geo} i do have this put spread on the Qs on
[14:03] {Geo} did i mention the strikes?
[14:03] {Threei} and important thing to add:
06[14:03] * Threei slaps Geo around a bit with a large trout
[14:03] {dino} stopped fdry -200
[14:04] {Geo} UAUA
[14:06] {Geo} shesh fdry spiked up now
[14:07] {Geo} any news UAUA?
[14:08] {Threei} no, why?
[14:08] {dino} messed up geo
[14:08] {Geo} PNC dino
[14:08] {lisa_jay} Thanks guys. Off to Dr's for Kids appt.
[14:08] {dino} gut says up, but from where fdry
[14:08] {lisa_jay} Have a good weekend.
[14:08] {dino} cya lisa
[14:08] {Geo} cya lisa
[14:08] {Threei} take care lisa, have a good one, see you on Monday
[14:08] {magoo} bye lisa
[14:08] {_coyote} cya lisa
[14:09] {dino} pnc?
[14:09] {Threei} 2 hours till market close, and we may get more action on last hour
[14:09] {Threei} so let me ask if anyone of guests have any questions
[14:09] {magoo} u in anything vad, was distractred
[14:09] {Threei} no mags, Qs short earlier, closed already
[14:09] {magoo} ok
[14:09] {Geo} i am long small uaua
[14:09] {magoo} what u thinking?
[14:10] {Threei} me? thinking?
[14:10] {Threei} that's flattering assumption
[14:11] {Threei} if no questions, two things I want to say
[14:11] {Threei} 1. hope we handled these two days well, guiding through the rough waters safely and profitably
[14:12] {Threei} 2. If you feel like getting more, you have 1 week free trial opportunity
[14:12] {magoo} u did awesome job vad in difficult environment
[14:12] {Threei} ty mags
[14:12] {magoo} and i do not like to give out praise
[14:12] {Geo} out on spike 10 cents
[14:12] {Threei} boy, don't I know that
[14:12] {magoo} i negative reinforcement kind of magoo
[14:12] {Geo} heheheh
[14:13] {Threei} trout is what I get
[14:13] {Geo} thanks vad.... 2x on a range da y like today.... I love it
[14:13] {Threei} welcome sir
[14:14] {dino} fdry v sm l .00, last try
[14:14] {Geo} DXD dino
[14:14] {dino} regarding newbies, hope we helped and you learned something.
[14:14] {magoo} guests, we'll make your room fee in 1 day, rest of month great education and money, plus bad taste jokes
[14:14] {Geo} lol@magoo
[14:14] {Threei} mine are exception
[14:15] {Threei} mine are good
[14:15] {Threei} that's my story and I'll stick to it
[14:15] {Threei} well... at least I laugh at them
[14:19] {_coyote} Vad, I have question..do you subscribe to any news services and if so
[14:19] {_coyote} which ones.
[14:20] {Threei} yes
[14:21] {Threei} Trade The News
[14:21] {Threei} we have a banner on our homepage
[14:21] {Threei} use it to get free trial
[14:21] {_coyote} Thank you.
[14:21] {Threei} should be somewhere at the bottom of page if I remember correctly
[14:22] {_coyote} i'll find it ..
[14:24] {Threei} lol, even FDRY slowed to a crawl
[14:24] {Threei} you still in dino?
[14:24] {Threei} or is it halted?
[14:24] {Threei} looks weird somewhat
[14:26] {dino} double stop on it, things broke
[14:27] {Threei} hmmm... something seems not right with my internet connection
04[14:27] -} [Threei] PING
[14:28] {Threei} [14:28] [Threei PING reply]: 22secs
[14:28] {Threei} yikes
[14:28] {Geo} wow
[14:28] {Geo} 0 here
[14:29] {Threei} that's why my FDRY seemed so slow I guess, lol
[14:34] {dino} heck of a bounce
[14:35] {Geo} DXD

[14:36] {dino} y
[14:37] {Threei} trying to reset router, be right back - hopefully
[14:41] {Threei} that's better
[14:42] {Threei} missed Qs .50 long I see
[14:44] {Threei} am I here?
[14:44] {Geo} y
04[14:44] -} [Threei] PING
[14:44] {Threei} whew
[14:44] {Geo} but since yo missed .5
[14:44] {Geo} we are ignoring u
[14:44] {Threei} oh, that's fine
[14:45] {Threei} I am quite comfortable with being ignored
[14:45] {Threei} PIMCO'S BILL GROSS: EXPECTS RECESSION TO BE 'LIKELY'
[14:46] {Geo} those germans !
[14:46] {Threei} sure, send market to selloff mode again Gross
[14:47] {Threei} watching NFLX for possible short
[14:47] {_coyote} OK if you would have taken the Q trade at .5 , Vad where would stop placement been?
[14:47] {Threei} 19 trigger if stays under 19.15, half lot
[14:47] {Threei} under .40 at the moment, coyote
[14:48] {_coyote} Thank you sir
[14:48] {Threei} sure
[14:48] {Threei} there were two plays actually,
[14:48] {Threei} one is breakout of .50,
[14:49] {Threei} second is pullback into it, but important thing is:
[14:49] {Threei} second pullback I wouldn't buy
[14:49] {Threei} too many retests of support, not good
[14:49] {Threei} more than that, this bounce into .50 is actually short
[14:50] {Threei} ugh, a bit late
[14:50] {Threei} no chasing
[14:50] {_coyote} OK ....learning another lesson..alright i see that
[14:50] {Threei} NFLX held .20 test
[14:51] {Threei} and same way, second bounce into .50 if happens is not a short anymore
[14:51] {Threei} here it is
[14:52] {_coyote} Why second bounce is not a short?
[14:52] {Threei} break of support is a short trigger,
[14:52] {Threei} bounce into support is a short,
[14:52] {Threei} former support I mean, now resistance,
[14:52] {_coyote} Got it! Thank you.
[14:53] {Threei} but second bounce and tagging it is not good anymore,
[14:53] {Threei} too much strength
[14:53] {Threei} same loging as earlier with long off it
[14:53] {Threei} see how it went to .60?
[14:53] {Geo} nflx looking strong vad
[14:53] {_coyote} Yes.
[14:53] {Threei} bumping iinto resistance
[14:53] {Threei} NFLX I mean
[14:54] {Threei} if breaks it, invalidated as short
[14:54] {Geo} sp by your logic no shorting pullback here but wait for breakdown
[14:54] {Threei} [14:53] {Threei} same loging {--- that was supposed to be "same logic"
[14:54] {Threei} on NFLX?
[14:54] {Geo} yeah
[14:55] {Threei} oh, you can try and enter aggressively on first bounce,
[14:55] {Threei} less likely to work on second
06[14:55] * Geo is in PP mode
[14:55] {Threei} andfthis was second
[14:55] {dino} pp mode? bathroom
[14:55] {Threei} lol
[14:56] {_coyote} I am following this..what a load to learn Vad
[14:56] {Geo} man dino
[14:56] {Geo} ohhh man
[14:56] {Threei} it's not very complicated coyote...
[14:56] {Threei} certainly not a rocket science
[14:56] {Geo} ProfitProtection
[14:56] {Threei} but to confuse you a bit more for now,
[14:56] {dino} ahhh, good deal. when up get stingy
[14:56] {_coyote} I just don't want to get laughed at
[14:56] {Threei} this second retest and break is two things in one:
[14:56] {_coyote} lol
[14:57] {dino} fdry now works
[14:57] {Threei} first is invalidation of the original setup,
[14:57] {Threei} and second is fading of the opriginal setup
[14:57] {Threei} meaning, going against it
[14:57] {Threei} in Qs case that would be long on .50 break
[14:57] {Threei} in NFLX case that would be long on .20 break
[14:58] {dino} rally
[14:58] {Geo} ncie vad
[14:58] {Threei} logic is simple: if setup is violated, opposite side took opver
[14:58] {Threei} everyu setup can be played in different ways
[14:58] {Threei} envision JBE
[14:58] {Threei} break of uppoer limit is long, right?
[14:59] {Threei} break of lower limit is invalidating the JBE
[14:59] {Threei} and can serve also as a short indication
[14:59] {Threei} Chaeron often plays this fade of my setups if they get invalidated
[14:59] {Geo} sneaky !!
[14:59] {Geo} didnt know that
[14:59] {Threei} that's him
[14:59] {Threei} sneaky is his middle name
[14:59] {Chaeron} well....... true.,....
[15:00] {Threei} break of .20 on NFLX would work
[15:00] {_coyote} Alright that is a new play with Chaeron..
[15:00] {Threei} and break of .50 on Qs would work beautifully
[15:00] {Threei} although in all fairness, there is no way I would have held it that long
[15:00] {magoo} back
[15:00] {magoo} we in anything vad?
[15:00] {Threei} would havce scalped like 30 cents ago, lo;l
[15:01] {Chaeron} it's logical... I mean if it isn't going to work one way, it's because that set up is going to fail. So be fast and open to shifting to other side...
[15:01] {_coyote} Following you on that
[15:01] {Chaeron} and I normally only look for a scalp on those
[15:01] {Threei} wow, NFLX 30 cents
[15:01] {_coyote} Would that be 1:1 Chaeron
[15:02] {Chaeron} yes
[15:02] {_coyote} Thanks
[15:02] {Geo} do you play QLD vad?
[15:02] {Threei} I don't go into these things on each given trade, too much to type,
[15:02] {Threei} but if you read TTR, you saw all these variations
[15:02] {Chaeron} you will get feel... all is then reflex and instinctual, not thought about
[15:02] {Threei} no Geo
[15:02] {Threei} nice mover though
[15:03] {_coyote} Will take awhile from the book to real time for me
[15:04] {Chaeron} not long... trust me... the whole thing about this room is that Vad can show you how to not only do but evolve as the markets evolve. That's what keeps a trader around and in the black consistantly over the long term
[15:05] {dino} out ice 59.70, +1.20
[15:05] {Geo} yeah
[15:05] {_coyote} Thats good new on both counts
[15:05] {Geo} lets hope he doesnt retire to alaska or something
[15:05] {Chaeron} by that time, you'll be able to run this room geo
[15:05] {Threei} alaska?
[15:05] {Threei} too cold
[15:05] {Geo} well you did visit !
[15:05] {Chaeron} heard you liked Sarah Palin :)
[15:06] {Geo} well with her new bling who wouldnt
[15:06] {Threei} don't confuse tourism for immigration, as old joke goes :})
[15:06] {dino} sarah could be hot
[15:06] {Geo} tell that in LA
[15:06] {Geo} "could" dino?
[15:07] {Threei} watching Qs for bounce
[15:07] {dino} they need to let her dress it now, throw on some contacts, you know
[15:07] {Threei} 28.80 roughly
[15:07] {_coyote} It seems as though if you subscriber you need to post entry and exit times but if
[15:07] {Geo} missed ;(
[15:08] {_coyote} your a guest you up to something funny if you don't
[15:08] {Threei} nah coyote
[15:08] {Threei} it's a oersonal choice
[15:08] {Threei} we have members who speak once a year if that
[15:08] {dino} keeps me tight w/stops coyote
[15:09] {Threei} some want verification,
[15:09] {Threei} some use it as a way of self control,
[15:09] {_coyote} OK i'll buy that
[15:09] {Threei} feeling of bweing watched makes you disciplined
[15:09] {dino} i am the 2nd group
[15:09] {Threei} some just brag
06[15:09] * Threei is looking around waiting for someone to volunteer
06[15:10] * Geo heh
[15:10] {_coyote} OK clear on that
[15:10] {Threei} and some simply trade and never talk to me
[15:10] {magoo} geo's bad
[15:10] {Threei} maybe they hate me, I don't know :)
06[15:10] * Geo daily is 10$ so i make 10X daily
[15:10] {magoo} mine 15 dollar but made 3x
[15:11] {Geo} nice magoo
[15:11] {magoo} i hate u lol
[15:11] {Geo} youre always an inspiration
[15:11] {Geo} lol
[15:11] {Threei} I know mags
[15:11] {Threei} fish slime all over me speaks volume
[15:11] {magoo} unless u give me a winner here..then i luv u
[15:11] {ese} gotta figure that funds and instituions will probably start buying end of this month.......prices are lookin too good
[15:11] {Geo} speaking of fish slimes
[15:11] {Geo} http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122480233710964683.html
[15:12] {Geo} excellent article on sushi chef bullies and that culture
[15:12] {Threei} Qs bounced exactly from .80
[15:12] {Threei} too faasdt for entry or someone got it?
[15:12] {magoo} not enough want pointer or hate u
[15:12] {Geo} missed
[15:12] {Geo} was at 88 so didt chase
[15:13] {dino} and 100 pt drop
[15:16] {Threei} Short Setup: QQQQ .75 trigger if stays below .90
[15:16] {Threei} half lot
[15:16] {Threei} (needless to say)
[15:18] {_Bruce} thats 5 k only folks
[15:18] {Threei} yeah
[15:18] {Geo} invalid vad?
[15:19] {Threei} invalidated for now, but if consolidates for couple min more and breaks .75 will be valid again
[15:19] {Threei} right away, not sure
[15:19] {Threei} kind of dicey
[15:19] {_coyote} in at 29.75
[15:19] {_coyote} on a stop
[15:20] {_coyote} out here
[15:20] {Threei} confused
[15:20] {Threei} what "on a stop" means?
[15:20] {_coyote} no idea what i am doing but it worked
[15:20] {Threei} OK :)
[15:21] {_coyote} sell stop
[15:21] {Geo} ah]
[15:21] {peterg} +.08 ty
[15:21] {Threei} welcome
[15:21] {_coyote} Thank you sir.
[15:21] {Threei} careful here guys, things become fast and jerky again
[15:21] {Threei} Qs look like short on bounce
[15:22] {_coyote} Again?
[15:22] {Threei} wanted closer to .90
[15:23] {Threei} first weakness friom here
[15:23] {Threei} in 30
[15:23] {Threei} stop above 30.10
[15:24] {Threei} half out .84
[15:24] {Threei} stop just above 30
[15:24] {_coyote} in 29.96 Q's s
[15:25] {_coyote} out 29.85
[15:25] {_coyote} Can't type fast enough
[15:26] {Threei} if you can trade fast enough, that's what matters :)
[15:26] {Threei} die market
[15:26] {Threei} {market} you don't like me :(
[15:27] {_coyote} OK 1:1 on that trade
[15:27] {Chaeron} QQQQ s 29.96 in, out 29.85 . got nervous
[15:27] {_coyote} Me too Chaeron
[15:27] {Threei} some are soo fragile...
[15:27] {Threei} chaeron is just a violet
[15:28] {magoo} magoos a rose..ask patience :)
[15:28] {Threei} shrinking one too
[15:28] {magoo} HEY
[15:29] {Threei} I can feel a Seinfield moment coming
[15:29] {dino} omri
[15:29] {dino} phase ii, may be worth short
[15:30] {magoo} "they shrink"elaine
[15:30] {Threei} hehe
[15:30] {dino} missed it
[15:30] {Threei} Ok Qs, you established little downtrend... follow through now, will ya?
[15:30] {dino} and she says"i don't know how yo walk around w/it"
[15:31] {Threei} looking to cover under .70
[15:31] {Threei} out .67
[15:32] {Threei} +.33
[15:32] {dino} any newbies coming back next week?
[15:32] {Threei} me
[15:32] {_coyote} I will be back dino for the trial period to start with
[15:33] {dino} mgood, i wish you much success
[15:33] {_coyote} If it is alright with Vad?
[15:33] {Threei} lol... why not
[15:33] {dino} now if i could get magoo to stop throwing candy at me
[15:33] {magoo} i hope too if i don't get blown away on my goog short here lol
[15:33] {_coyote} Thank you dino have been very supportive today
[15:33] {Threei} trial at http://www.realitytrader.com/trial.html
[15:34] {Threei} and our daily logs are at http://www.realitytrader.com/tradinglog
[15:34] {Threei} posted every day after market
[15:34] {dino} np, we all help ewach other
[15:34] {_Bruce} get him to switch to beer now dino
[15:34] {dino} bruce, whers my top on omri for short?
[15:34] {dino} beer in 25
[15:34] {_coyote} I have followed the daily trade logs
[15:35] {dino} for awhile (days?)
[15:35] {_Bruce} its hit dino - too late on that one imo
[15:35] {dino} 2nd top
[15:35] {Threei} did we have any single stop today on calls??
[15:35] {_coyote} for about 2 weeks dino but alot different trading in the room
[15:36] {dino} i did vad, but playiong my own junk
[15:36] {Threei} I know... but your junk is very profitable :)
[15:36] {dino} today, indeed it was 1.6 area
[15:36] {Threei} you know... one man's junk...
[15:37] {_coyote} Only stop i had was on one of my calls
[15:37] {Threei} with Internet going down and missing some of my own plays, not sure about all the calls but seems to me 100% today
[15:37] {dino} nothing wrong w/stops, they keep you in game
[15:37] {dino} and to quote myself; profits=luck and stops=skill
[15:38] {Threei} btw, all know about educational part of blog?
[15:38] {magoo} oy
[15:38] {magoo} hate that part lol
[15:38] {Threei} http://www.realitytrader.com/blog/
06[15:38] * Threei slaps magoo around a bit with a large trout
[15:38] {dino} ouch athn
[15:38] {magoo} sh goog 338.25
[15:38] {Threei} make sure you read it guys... a lot of things that will put many diff aspects in clear perspective
[15:39] {magoo} [15:34] {magoo} i hope too if i don't get blown away on my goog short here lol
[15:39] {magoo} DO NOT TRADE THIS
[15:39] {_coyote} I have read some of the blogs read the rest over weekend
[15:39] {Threei} cool
[15:39] {dino} magoo is like a rat to cheese
[15:39] {Threei} good to know I don't write it for nothing
[15:40] {dino} i could put a starburst in a rat trap and he would lose a finger
[[15:40] {magoo} ah dino..but remember
[15:41] {magoo} early bird gets the worm....but 2nd mouse gets the cheese
[15:41] {Geo} meat and cheese !
[15:42] {Threei} 2 and half buck mags
[15:42] {dino} mmmm
[15:42] {Threei} good one
[15:43] {magoo} out
[15:44] {dino} hmmm, just remember uyg still open
[15:44] {_Bruce} calling it a day
[15:44] {_Bruce} good to see you all
[15:44] {_Bruce} take care
[15:44] {magoo} BRUCE WAIT'
[15:44] {Threei} take care bruce, good to see you
[15:44] {_Bruce} and thanx for invite vadster
06[15:44] * magoo slaps _Bruce around a bit with a large trout
[15:44] {_Bruce} lol
06[15:44] * _Bruce slaps magoo around a bit with a large trout
[15:44] {Threei} as if you didn't know what was coming :)
[15:44] {_Bruce} take that
[15:44] {_Bruce} yes
[15:44] {dino} lol
[15:44] {_Bruce} got him back though
[15:45] {_Bruce} it's about 3 to one for me anyway
[15:45] {Threei} but you unholstered your trout as soon as you saw that "wait"
06[15:45] * _Bruce slaps magoo around a bit with a large trout
[15:45] {_Bruce} there - just for good measure
[15:45] {_Bruce} have a good weekend all
[15:45] {dino} u2 bruce
[15:45] {_Bruce} hey dino
[15:45] {_Bruce} miss trading w you
[15:46] {_Bruce} trade safe
[15:46] {Geo} hmm we have someonce called test
[15:47] {dino} thx man, be good
[15:48] {Geo} bya all and thanks
[15:48] {Threei} take care Geo
[15:48] {Threei} Ok guys, thank you all,
[15:48] {peterg} ttfn!
[15:48] {peterg} not a symbol
[15:48] {Threei} thanks for dropping by for our open house
[15:49] {hawkfan4} cya all, have a good weekend
[15:49] {Threei} hope it was enjoyable andprofitable
[15:49] {Threei} have a great weekend
[15:49] {magoo} good job vad
[15:49] {peterg} got to increase size
[15:49] {peterg} of shares
[15:49] {dino} ttfn, lol
[15:49] {Threei} see you next week, residents and those wo join a trial
[15:49] {dptl} have a good weekend all :)
[15:49] {peterg} residents of the asylum!
[15:50] {dino} cya dp
[15:50] {dino} i prefer jungle
[15:51] {peterg} come to think of it, i do too
[15:51] {_Case} Thank you Vad. It's been a very educational two days. In the worst market conditions of the century.
[15:51] {_Case} (for now)
[15:51] {peterg} so far!
[15:52] {Threei} good to hear you liked it Case
[15:53] {Threei} I believe we handled it well
[15:53] {Threei} safe and profitable
[15:53] {_Case} Honestly, I think this is the only way to navigate these markets.
[15:53] {dino} i agree case
[15:54] {_Case} Plus it does wonders for your psyche
[15:54] {dino} holding is destroying aloit of people
[15:54] {dino} alot
[15:54] {Threei} making money always does {G}
[15:55] {_Case} Indeed. But being that fast (or being that fast when you need to) is the only defense against overnight games played by the big boys
[15:55] {_Case} or world financial system collapse, for that matter
[15:56] {_Case} whatever is this thing we are witnessing anyway
[15:56] {dino} chaos
[15:56] {dino} out uyg .20, +.20
[15:56] {dino} stop hit
[15:59] {dino} thats it for me. thanks all, nice way to finish week
[15:59] {dino} magoo, grab some brews
[15:59] {magoo} me too i need a brew
[15:59] {magoo} poet