Session Time: Thu Jul 18 00:00:00 2013
[09:10] {cipher} gm
01[09:10] {&Threei} morning cipher
[09:14] {dino} gm
01[09:14] {&Threei} dino :)
[09:15] {RonS} guten morgen Captain
01[09:16] {&Threei} ron :)
[09:17] {RonS} lol...just thinking that Nemo is always on a guten-free diet...
01[09:17] {&Threei} meaning, paleo?
[09:19] {RonS} guten means good and rhymes w/ gluten kind of...
01[09:19] {&Threei} lol
[09:19] {RonS} shw murdered on poor guidance and Mexican acquisition turndown
[09:25] {ese} gm
01[09:25] {&Threei} ese :)
01[09:25] {&Threei} PM also might be interesting
[09:25] {Alexs} gm
01[09:26] {&Threei} alex :)
[09:26] {ese} A
01[09:26] {&Threei} world quits smoking en masse
[09:26] {ese} lol
01[09:27] {&Threei} Q2 Cigarette volume decline of 3.9% was due principally to lower industry volume in the EU Region, Russia, Turkey and the Philippines
01[09:29] {&Threei} SHW... quite a haircut... closer to beheading
[09:30] {thomcbell} looking for xone short setup here
[09:30] {thomcbell} and tsla
01[09:31] {&Threei} Short Setup: GDX .15 break
01[09:31] {&Threei} If holds .20
[09:31] {thomcbell} short small xone 63.50ish
01[09:33] {&Threei} lol... labor unions unite against health care act
01[09:33] {&Threei} good job on that one, Obama
[09:33] {+cc_9} morning folks
[09:33] {+cc_9} starting day with some SNDK long
01[09:33] {&Threei} cc9 :)
[09:34] {thomcbell} flat xone 62.50 ish
[09:34] {thomcbell} jeez
[09:34] {thomcbell} cover tsla too if anyone did it around 122
01[09:35] {&Threei} Long Setup: FB .60 break
01[09:35] {&Threei} If holds .55
01[09:35] {&Threei} Invalidated GDX
01[09:35] {&Threei} FB, looking for another trigger
[09:37] {dino} ocrx sm s .15\
[09:38] {dino} gappy sucker
01[09:38] {&Threei} Long Setup: FB .35 break
01[09:38] {&Threei} If holds .30
[09:40] {thomcbell} wow tsla
01[09:40] {&Threei} come on FB, take .40 and run
[09:41] {+cc_9} SNDK dumping on stelllar report...go figure
01[09:41] {&Threei} (IE) European Union exec notes that there is solid progress ongoing between Troika and Ireland on funding via ESM or 'private solution' - comments post IMF 11th review
[09:41] {+cc_9} scaling the drop, looking for reversal back over $61 - $61.50
01[09:41] {&Threei} solid progress after 11th review
[09:44] {+cc_9} SNDK jeez...might as well have reported a loss
01[09:45] {&Threei} two-three more successful quarterly reports, and SNDK trades on pink sheets {G}
01[09:45] {&Threei} finally FB
01[09:45] {&Threei} 1:1
01[09:45] {&Threei} take first partial
01[09:46] {&Threei} stop to .34
[09:46] {RonS} took fb +.13 thanks 3i
[09:46] {nemo} sheesh, market almost not trading
01[09:47] {&Threei} yw
[09:47] {+cc_9} SNDK itty bitty bounce, nothing major
01[09:50] {&Threei} Long Setup: IWM 104 break
01[09:50] {&Threei} If holds .95
[09:52] {nemo} numbers pause
[09:53] {+cc_9} SNDK gap after hours to 63.50+, currently sitting below $60.00
01[09:53] {&Threei} Phil Fed at 10
[09:53] {+cc_9} looking for a bounce to $61
[09:53] {RonS} ben speech bottom of hour...guy has morphed into the O
[09:54] {nemo} don't think that speech will move anything, other than me to the bathroom
[09:54] {thomcbell} sndk looking better
[09:54] {dino} lol
[09:54] {+cc_9} SNDK big seller $60.00
01[09:54] {&Threei} he works on his legacy now
[09:54] {+cc_9} looking to clear that
[09:54] {thomcbell} 60 break
[09:54] {RonS} classic Icahn on Fast interview at nyc conf
01[09:55] {&Threei} meh IWM
[09:55] {+cc_9} 60 wall nuts
[09:55] {nemo} sure they're not cashews?
[09:55] {+cc_9} L2 literally froze at 60 ask
[09:55] {RonS} "...changed my mind on Ackman...anyone who make me $250 mil I like..."
[09:55] {RonS} makes
[09:55] {nemo} look at the hidden orders, holy shit
01[09:55] {&Threei} lol
[09:56] {ese} how do you get hidden orders nemo?
[09:56] {ese} or is that just level 2
[09:56] {nemo} look at LII se how few orders there are at 60 and how much volume being done there?
[09:57] {+cc_9} SNDK 60 offer thinning
[09:57] {nemo} lotta' orders not visible
[09:57] {+cc_9} ugh...who the hell is sitting at 60
[09:57] {dino} wtf ocrx
[09:57] {nemo} Ackman?
[09:57] {thomcbell} 60.01 long break
[09:57] {RonS} ese, hidden 'cause you see an auto-refill at a price...
[09:57] {nemo} you probably won't get it when it breaks, might want to set it for .05
[09:57] {nemo} see
[09:57] {+cc_9} 60 broke SNDK
[09:57] {+cc_9} phew
[09:58] {ese} ok that makes sense ron
[09:58] {thomcbell} sndk 1:4
[09:58] {thomcbell} in 1 min
[09:58] {nemo} did you get it thom?
[09:58] {ese} I understand that bokers have a level 3 which shows that
[09:58] {+cc_9} SNDK looking for a 60.60 break
[09:58] {thomcbell} i cheated bought some at 60 before the break
[09:58] {ese} gives them a leg up
[09:59] {nemo} only way you would have gotten it
[09:59] {ese} good job with sndk ladies and gents
[09:59] {thomcbell} i liked the firmness for those 3-4 min
[10:00] {nemo} and how they feel when you sqeeze them
01[10:00] {&Threei} *(US) JULY PHILADELPHIA FED: 19.8 V 8.0E
[10:00] {nemo} finnies lining up at the starting gate
01[10:00] {&Threei} *(US) JUN LEADING INDICATORS: 0.0% V 0.3%E
[10:01] {+cc_9} consolidation SNDK, looking for second power leg up, ill keep you guys posted on how many invisible orders i see
[10:01] {nemo} dino, how many dead people?
01[10:01] {&Threei} Long Setup: TZA .45 break
[10:01] {RonS} Icahn on being informed Ackman not at conference because at CP board meeting: "if that guy is actually running the railroad, I don't want to ride on it"
01[10:01] {&Threei} If holds .40
[10:02] {ese} L fslr .19
[10:03] {+cc_9} setting up some sells on SNDK .52 and .57
[10:04] {+cc_9} lets see some .40s bid and should be good
[10:04] {thomcbell} xone looking for a setup short
01[10:05] {&Threei} 71% surveyed firms reported minimal or no changes related to the ACA. But 11% indicated there has been more outsourcing of work, and 6% indicated shifts from full-time to part-time workers attributable to the ACA. With regard to future workforce changes, 18% of firms indicated they would outsource more work over the next year, and 8% indicated they would substitute part-time workers for full-time workers.
[10:07] {+cc_9} Anyone still in SNDK ?
[10:07] {dino} nus crazy
[10:08] {dino} ocrx sm s .75
01[10:08] {&Threei} FB 1:2
01[10:08] {&Threei} took its sweet time but...
01[10:09] {&Threei} with slim pickings all around, squeezing all I can out of those that work
[10:10] {dino} you evil speculator
[10:10] {ese} lol
[10:10] {Alexs} iwm rinse
01[10:10] {&Threei} IWM is SoMG
[10:15] {nemo} grtind up
[10:20] {+cc_9} SNDK no follow through on that first bounce...back below $60.00 *yawn*
01[10:24] {&Threei} Short Setup: GLD .95 break hl
01[10:24] {&Threei} If holds .05
01[10:25] {&Threei} 1:1
[10:25] {nemo} trend day up
[10:26] {+cc_9} SNDK back to session lows, going in again
[10:28] {+cc_9} that was easy
[10:28] {nemo} money coming out of bonds
[10:29] {+cc_9} Lets see if we get another wall of China at $60.00 again (SNDK)
[10:30] {+cc_9} $60 back @ offer SNDK
[10:31] {+cc_9} wall @ 60 confirmed x 2
[10:32] {+cc_9} $60 again @ offer, this is getting intense
[10:36] {thomcbell} if we get tight congestion on it with 0.07 cent range or so i will cheat again on the 60.01 break
[10:37] {nemo} probabl shouldn't have to this time
[10:37] {+cc_9} big selling @ $60.00 again
[10:37] {+cc_9} 130k so far 1min
[10:38] {+cc_9} as thin as the L2 looks when we get $60.00 offer, someone just keeps on piling on block after block
[10:41] {+cc_9} Lowe highs so far, lows unchanged, but not breaking that wall is dangerous water for another triple bottom test
[10:42] {+cc_9} here we go again, .90s on deck
[10:44] {thomcbell} sndk nothing there
[10:44] {thomcbell} as far as conventional setup
[10:47] {+cc_9} At this point its both a fundamental and technical play
[10:47] {+cc_9} For the quarter ended June 30 (Q2), SanDisk beat expectations on revenues and crushed expectations on earnings per share.
[10:48] {+cc_9} and its up $0.30 on that ... laughable, especially given the high on the gap after hours yesterday of near $64
[10:48] {nemo} so Europe is taking used cars as collateral for loans...marked to market, so they're doing with cars what we did with houses during the delerium, wtf
01[10:48] {&Threei} Long Setup: PM .50 break small shares
01[10:49] {&Threei} If holds .40
01[10:49] {&Threei} yeah right
01[10:49] {&Threei} good luck getting that fill
[10:49] {+cc_9} what fill ?
[10:50] {+cc_9} im only looking for $60.50 on SNDK
[10:50] {+cc_9} herer we go, $60.00 on deck again
01[10:50] {&Threei} nemo... whole EU is wtf, how do you decide to focus on this particular one {G}
[10:50] {nemo} that's what came out most recently
01[10:50] {&Threei} whatcha talkin' about, cc9... I am about PM
[10:50] {+cc_9} "tear down that wall mr gorbachev"
[10:50] {nemo} it's the daily EUWTF
[10:51] {+cc_9} when talking about SNDK
[10:51] {nemo} I remember when the Wall fell. My uncle gets a huge crate delivered to the house. One of his colleagues shipped him about 200 llbs of the Wall from Berlin
[10:52] {+cc_9} I want to remember when SNDK $60.00 wall falls
[10:52] {+cc_9} so i can get about 200 in P&L
01[10:53] {&Threei} Short Setup: GDX .05 break
[10:53] {+cc_9} breaking $60.00 wall
01[10:53] {&Threei} If holds .10
[10:53] {RonS} unreal...how about asking NSA...aren't they part of the same government?: U.S. investigators want to hear from Google and Microsoft about data they've given the NSA
[10:53] {ese} out 1/2 fslr .64 +.45 700 to go
[10:53] {nemo} hate these days
01[10:53] {&Threei} that's a doozie ron
[10:53] {ese} in contrast......have now nailed fslr for a couple of days in a row
[10:54] {+cc_9} SNDK needs follow-through, not a slowdown in early $60.0s, Jeez
[10:54] {+cc_9} ugh...
01[10:55] {&Threei} Invalidated
[10:55] {+cc_9} this is a big farce
[10:56] {+cc_9} print $60.10 then print $59.85
[10:56] {nemo} finnies and SPY through R3, IWM just about there
[10:58] {+cc_9} higher lows 2min SNDK
[10:58] {+cc_9} confirmation on $60.20 break
[11:02] {RonS} ba volatility over news Heathrow fire due to HON transmitter
[11:05] {+cc_9} SNDK seesaw, back to $60
[11:05] {+cc_9} some volume now at last
[11:05] {nemo} looks like they're starting to buy up ebay
01[11:06] {&Threei} HON UK Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) recommends temporarily shutting down all Honeywell ELT units aboard 787s
[11:08] {ese} out full fslr .91 +.72
[11:08] {+cc_9} Good eye on EBAY nemo, some volume there too
[11:09] {+cc_9} highest since the open
[11:09] {RonS} gj ese
[11:10] {+cc_9} SNDK almost feels like someone is working hard to keep it at $60, no more no less
[11:11] {ese} tks ron........that'll just about do it for me today.....i'm sure the rest of this day will be like watching tooth decay
[11:11] {nemo} that's a good nick for Les
[11:12] {ese} lol
[11:13] {+cc_9} lotta buys 60.05 SNDK
01[11:13] {&Threei} Short Setup: PM .45 break sm sh
[11:14] {+cc_9} offer thin
[11:14] {+cc_9} 20x1
[11:14] {nemo} visually thin
01[11:14] {&Threei} Short Setup: .60
[11:14] {+cc_9} unreal lol
01[11:14] {&Threei} If holds .60
[11:14] {+cc_9} 20/17/13 bid vs 2/1/1 offer, bid still drops
01[11:15] {&Threei} since when Level 2 is directional tool...
[11:18] {+cc_9} since never
[11:18] {+cc_9} bids get pulled etc...
[11:18] {+cc_9} im watching paint dry here on SNDK, so im just making comments about the color
[11:19] {nemo} finnies at trend
[11:20] {nemo} see what happens when Europe closes
[11:21] {dino} last try ocrx sm s .20
[11:22] {dino} utek sm l .98
[11:23] {RonS} 17 or 16...
[11:24] {+cc_9} how many of these fools are going to continue thanking Bernanke for his "service" each time he opens his mouth
[11:24] {+cc_9} absolutely disgusting
01[11:24] {&Threei} he is their saviour
01[11:24] {&Threei} Short Setup: GLD .20 break
01[11:24] {&Threei} If holds .25
[11:25] {dino} 17 ron
[11:25] {nemo} that's politics...bread & circus at Potemkin Village
[11:25] {nemo} talk about mixing metaphors
[11:25] {nemo} think I'll watch the bears in the river
01[11:26] {&Threei} making wine out of bread in the circus at Potemkin Village
01[11:26] {&Threei} there... beat that
[11:26] {dino} what the hell are you guys babbling about?
01[11:27] {&Threei} good question dino
[11:29] {ese} was wondering that myself dino
[11:35] {+cc_9} my SNDK consolation is that someone bot after hours yesterday over $63.00
01[11:35] {&Threei} look at your TV screen with O on it to get what we were talking about
01[11:37] {&Threei} half out GLD
01[11:37] {&Threei} stop is still .26 though
01[11:37] {&Threei} .21 now
[11:38] {RonS} gpc gone pulp
01[11:38] {&Threei} 1:2
01[11:39] {&Threei} out in full
01[11:40] {&Threei} +.25
[11:40] {+cc_9} nice 1
[11:47] {+cc_9} If any of you guys sees FADF on the T&S on SNDK for example
[11:47] {+cc_9} that stands for "Finra Alternative Display Facility", which could very well be darkpool prints reporting
[11:48] {+cc_9} and time to get paid SNDK
[11:48] {RonS} should I be afraid?
[11:49] {+cc_9} its ok, ill hold you
[11:50] {RonS} now I'm scared to death...
01[11:51] {&Threei} lol
[11:52] {+cc_9} scaling out SNDK
[11:52] {+cc_9} got blocks in .41 and .44
[11:59] {dino} utek last try sm l .89
[12:01] {+cc_9} all out SNDK
[12:01] {+cc_9} patience paid off
[12:01] {+cc_9} killed it
[12:17] {ese} L fslr .39
[12:17] {nemo} mpc intereting chart
[12:18] {nemo} three times tried to break .90 got slammed down
[12:20] {dino} out utek .22, +.33
[12:20] {nemo} X
[12:21] {nemo} PNC
[12:25] {dino} cov ocrx .61, +2.59
[12:27] {RonS} wow gj
[12:27] {dino} ty
01[12:28] {&Threei} wtg
[12:30] {+cc_9} SNDK trade P&L }}} http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/5293/lvrn.jpg
[12:31] {+cc_9} Calling it a day
[12:36] {RonS} w/ cc and les gone will need something to do: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe4qk7Mijlo
[12:41] {nemo} mpc possible short here
[12:41] {nemo} stop above .85 drop of .80
01[12:48] {&Threei} Short Setup: LVS .70 break hl
[12:51] {Alexs} what stop LVS?
01[12:51] {&Threei} If holds .80
[12:52] {nemo} oxy
[12:52] {nemo} holds 91 break of .05
[12:56] {_diamantnir} l
[12:56] {nemo} oh sorry, yes
[12:57] {nemo} but below 91 would be .95
01[13:01] {&Threei} LVS... that was a fade time... mea culpa
[13:01] {Alexs} you out?
01[13:02] {&Threei} not yet
01[13:02] {&Threei} but had we faded it, we woul be taking profit already
01[13:03] {&Threei} out
[13:04] {RonS} oh Canada, eh 3i?: Cold showers expose budget pinch as Ukraine coffers run dry | http://bloom.bg/17n6Ge5
[13:05] {nemo} X two way
[13:06] {nemo} rebate trading, though
[13:07] {RonS} xxx 3 way...reprobate trading though
01[13:08] {&Threei} lol
[13:13] {RonS} wow lvs 19 day high and yest was a Macau govt report saying upcoming q gaming revenue will be down...
[13:14] {ese} gamblers feeling the pinch.......do tell
[13:15] {+cc_9} http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10185484/PayPal-accidentally-turns-US-man-into-multi-quadrillionaire.html
[13:15] {+cc_9} top LOL
[13:15] {+cc_9} "A US man opened his June email statement from PayPal to find his account had been credited with $92 quadrillion, making him by far the richest man in the world."
01[13:16] {&Threei} man: just let me keep .00001%, is it too much to ask?
[13:16] {ese} he should have spent it right away
[13:16] {nemo} indexes looking precarious
[13:19] {RonS} ese, rkus
[13:19] {ese} tks ron
[13:35] {RonS} vips gone pulp
01[13:44] {&Threei} Short Setup: LVS 56 break
01[13:44] {&Threei} hl
01[13:44] {&Threei} If holds .10
[13:53] {nemo} you like HFC short here Vad?
01[13:54] {&Threei} worth trying, yeah
[13:55] {nemo} think two ways to play, short resistance at .30 with stop above .40, or short .20 if stays under .30
[13:55] {nemo} your preference likely the latter
01[13:56] {&Threei} not really, I'd prefer former
[13:56] {nemo} I sit corrected
[13:57] {nemo} fade the breakout?
[13:57] {bbobr} isn't it in uptrend in all possible time frames ? LVS
[13:57] {nemo} Vad's a fader
01[13:57] {&Threei} it was a double top on 1 min
[13:58] {nemo} .25 next possible short level
01[13:58] {&Threei} with clean lower high
[13:58] {nemo} LVS
01[13:58] {&Threei} and tail, and BB
01[13:58] {&Threei} one of the most reliable reversal setups
01[13:59] {&Threei} and look at daily - isn't it hitting upper envelop of descending channel?
[13:59] {nemo} hasn't quite closed the gap though
[14:05] {nemo} .25-.37 area important LVS
[14:12] {nemo} bingo
[14:12] {nemo} if it holds .10 might go for the gap fill today
[14:26] {+cc_9} SNDK 61.80, jesus christ, where is my money
01[14:31] {&Threei} Short Setup: LVS .25 break
01[14:31] {&Threei} If holds .30
[14:32] {Alexs} perseverance is good :)
01[14:33] {&Threei} decent setup, very narrow stop...
01[14:34] {&Threei} as this thing climbes it becomes more and more lucrative target
01[14:34] {&Threei} and there is not much else out there'
[14:40] {bbobr} I'm confused, but trying to understand that approach .......not even hitting real resistance ?
01[14:40] {&Threei} what's real resistance?
[14:40] {nemo} unicorns
01[14:41] {&Threei} you don't short resistances or buy supports
01[14:41] {&Threei} you play setups based on chart formations
01[14:41] {&Threei} resisatnce or support levels are merely elements of those setups
01[14:42] {&Threei} look at .30 at the moment of the call
01[14:42] {&Threei} was it double top resistance?
01[14:42] {&Threei} how was it not real?
[14:45] {bbobr} I see what you mean....
01[14:45] {&Threei} don't let the stops fool you
01[14:45] {&Threei} it's merely odds game,
01[14:45] {&Threei} and in low volume summer trading odds are less favorable,
01[14:46] {&Threei} but these are the same setups that work for years, decades and more
01[14:46] {&Threei} volume comes back, setups work with higher reliability
01[14:47] {&Threei} no volume, we take fewer calls with tighter stops and/or less shares
01[14:47] {&Threei} tweak strategy somwehat as in fade cases
01[14:47] {&Threei} but underlyings are the same
01[14:47] {&Threei} they never change, no matter what hft/algo/robot complainers would have you believe
[14:49] {nemo} I've got indexes looking like they're pulling in
[14:50] {bbobr} Don't have many years. but usually fade only climatic price advance
[14:50] {nemo} well I've got fade indications on the indexes, you see an orgasm?
01[14:50] {&Threei} does this move from .20 to .40 count?
[14:51] {bbobr} Did not think so, could be wrong, sorry
01[14:52] {&Threei} to me, this .40 break is/was a short setup
[14:52] {nemo} yep, .47 resistance
01[14:52] {&Threei} wityh .46 stop
01[14:53] {&Threei} but I am getting hesitant to call them, with all the mass protests {G}
[14:53] {nemo} got the inverse cinderella slipper on finnies
[14:53] {nemo} did you see me protesting?
01[14:59] {&Threei} almost 1:2
01[14:59] {&Threei} see the setup now?
[15:00] {nemo} dead people got in the way
[15:00] {ese} zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz wake me when it's over eh!
[15:07] {dino} ocrx sm s .70
[15:08] {dino} onxx drop
01[15:12] {&Threei} 1:3
[15:12] {nemo} if it gets through the whole, should get to .80
01[15:12] {&Threei} did I convince you that it's just playing the valid setups, and not a stubborness?
[15:12] {dino} aeti drop
[15:12] {nemo} you talkin' to me? Travis?
01[15:12] {&Threei} no
01[15:13] {&Threei} why on earth would I be talking to you
[15:13] {nemo} didn't think so, but I'm in a goofy bored mood
[15:13] {bbobr} me ?
[15:13] {nemo} watch it
[15:13] {nemo} you saw what rabbits can do in Search For the Holy Grail...
[15:13] {nemo} on that note, bunny ain't handling the heat so well
[15:14] {RonS} give her a shave...
[15:19] {dino} cov ocrx .12, +.58
[15:19] {nemo} so, what, you have one strike on LVS and then a home run?
01[15:21] {&Threei} Long Setup: LVS .10 break
[15:22] {nemo} oops, they're going for the shorts, this might be a short below the whole
[15:25] {nemo} holy shit look at onxx
01[15:26] {&Threei} 1:1
[15:26] {RonS} ONXX pfizer to NOT move ahead with takeover bid
[15:27] {dino} looks like amgn at 120 offer
01[15:32] {&Threei} 32% Say American Society is Unfair and Discriminatory
[15:32] {nemo} and 84% of society have average to less than average intelligence
01[15:33] {&Threei} I say dino's tastes are very discriminatory - he insists on his women being precisely 92,34 х 61,71 х 93,45
01[15:35] {&Threei} this one's for ese: @ReformedBroker
01[15:35] {&Threei} The role of the Federal Reserve Chairman has become indistinguishable from a motivational speaker. Embarrassing.
01[15:43] {&Threei} ONXX... spread is untradeable for the most part... too bad, tempting short
[15:44] {nemo} wow that daily got a long way to fall
01[15:45] {&Threei} 100
01[15:45] {&Threei} ugh... 70ents from my trigger
[15:45] {nemo} I ws thinking of shorting .85
01[15:48] {&Threei} 80
01[15:51] {&Threei} 120 offer from AMGN wss rejected earlier
[15:51] {+cc_9} ok folks
01[15:51] {&Threei} who knows what they do now
[15:51] {+cc_9} see you all in the AM
[15:51] {+cc_9} calling it a day
01[15:51] {&Threei} thank you all, have a good evening
01[15:52] {&Threei} see you tomorrow
[15:52] {dino} cya
[15:54] {bbobr} Thank you Vad, gn
01[15:54] {&Threei} :)
[16:01] {nemo} goog dropped 50 bucks
[16:02] {dino} ouch
[16:02] {nemo} missed by $1.22
01[16:03] {&Threei} MSFT whacked too
[16:04] {nemo} ohhh yippee tomorrow might be fun
