Thursday, December 11, 2014

Dec 11 2014

Nice day with a few strong trades. Today we are a dove.

Session Time: Thu Dec 11 00:00:00 2014

[09:02] {dino} gm
01[09:02] {@Threei}  dino :)
[09:02] {RonS} gm...to the lonely guys
01[09:02] {@Threei}  ron :)
[09:05] {dptl} good morning
01[09:05] {@Threei}  dp :)
[09:15] {RonS} Greece -7%
[09:15] {JoebiWan} gm
01[09:16] {@Threei}  can't believe it's not under zero still
01[09:16] {@Threei}  jw :)
01[09:16] {@Threei}  but our market shrugging it off it seems
[09:21] {jfjf64} morning boys
01[09:21] {@Threei}  jf :)
[09:21] {nemo} if you haven't noticed, I'm a rabbit
[09:22] {jfjf64} whats upp doc
[09:22] {nemo} me, barely...father decided to repair the phone @2:30 this morning
[09:22] {RonS} bur you like vodka, if rabbit you would be a hopper...
[09:22] {RonS} -r +t
[09:23] {nemo} what?  u writing dos or UNIX script?
[09:23] {jfjf64} oh boy
[09:23] {RonS} dos es gut...
[09:23] {jfjf64} simpe good mornin
[09:24] {nemo} Ich lieber auf awk oder UNIX
[09:24] {dino} lulu, all over the mat
[09:24] {jfjf64} lol
[09:24] {RonS} lol
[09:24] {nemo} that doesn't make her a bad girl dino
01[09:24] {@Threei}  lol
[09:24] {RonS} thinkin did not know was writing a joke...
[09:24] {jfjf64} maybe we could milk that bbiatch today
[09:25] {nemo} wow...we've gone down the toilet even before the open
[09:25] {dino} nemo, indeed.
[09:25] {jfjf64} yeah
[09:25] {jfjf64} make some money have some fun
[09:25] {nemo} drink some _____________
[09:26] {RonS} lulu announced first Asian store on conf call
[09:28] {ese} gm
[09:28] {nemo} oh, no.....it's here
01[09:28] {@Threei}  ese :)
[09:28] {nemo} don't encourage him
[09:28] {ese} what?
[09:29] {ese} ohhhhh....you mean ron and jf
[09:29] {RonS} fcx 600 day pre low
[09:31] {RonS} have to ask...does lulu have a wide sprad?
[09:31] {nemo} wow...so now I'm the well behaved one, go figure
[09:31] {jfjf64} funny shit Alaska ron
01[09:32] {@Threei} Long Setup:  VXX  .60 break
01[09:32] {@Threei}  If holds  .55
01[09:34] {@Threei} Long Setup:  VXX  .50 break
01[09:34] {@Threei}  If holds  .45
01[09:34] {@Threei}  still not ready
[09:34] {jfjf64} not yet
01[09:35] {@Threei} Long Setup:  VXX  .45 break
01[09:35] {@Threei}  If holds  .40
[09:35] {dino} lol ron
01[09:35] {@Threei}  let's go VXX
01[09:35] {@Threei}  gravity exists, you heard?
01[09:36] {@Threei}  wow... it doesn't
[09:38] {jfjf64} now
[09:39] {nemo} SPY IWM Finnies topped out at 2 day vwap
[09:39] {nemo} buth that's not holding them
[09:39] {nemo} 205 next target spy
[09:39] {nemo} resistance .20 area
01[09:40] {@Threei} Long Setup:  VXX  .25 break
01[09:40] {@Threei}  If holds  .20
01[09:41] {@Threei}  1:1
01[09:41] {@Threei}  wanted also DAL short but that thing teleported
[09:43] {dptl} l hds .71
01[09:45] {@Threei} Short Setup: MCD  .70 break
01[09:45] {@Threei}  If holds  .80
01[09:46] {@Threei}  1:1
[09:46] {dptl} half out hds
[09:49] {nemo} could argue spy short here but it's early
01[09:49] {@Threei} Short Setup: FB  .20 break
01[09:49] {@Threei}  If holds  .30
01[09:52] {@Threei}  die already
01[09:52] {@Threei}  1:1
01[09:54] {@Threei}  1:2
[09:54] {dptl} out balance hds
[09:55] {dptl} but looks like rinsed
[09:55] {dino} mei drop
[09:56] {RonS} one of my grandaughter's middle name...
[09:57] {dino} nice
01[09:58] {@Threei}  closed last 1/4 on a trail
[09:58] {dino} mei sm l .92
[09:58] {dino} mrh spike
01[10:00] {@Threei}  *(US) OCT BUSINESS INVENTORIES: 0.2% V 0.2%E
[10:00] {dino} mrh sm s .30
[10:02] {JoebiWan} got mei for .58 thx dino
[10:03] {dino} gj
01[10:03] {@Threei}  wtg
[10:04] {dino} out mei .65, +.73
[10:05] {JoebiWan} gj
[10:05] {dino} cov mrh .37, +.93
[10:05] {nemo} this is weird, very small universe in the algo today, and this huge move
[10:05] {dino} ty joeb
[10:05] {nemo} gotta' be options related
[10:06] {nemo} or futures rollover
[10:06] {dino} that joebi funy, hits a good one and quits
[10:06] {dino} mei drop again
[10:07] {jfjf64} gld
[10:07] {jfjf64} 117 break
[10:08] {nemo} fb looks long
[10:10] {nemo} guess not
[10:10] {nemo} would have to hold .25
[10:10] {nemo} wow jerky action
[10:10] {dptl} nlsn 43 br short looking
[10:11] {jfjf64} get off ya ass gld
[10:14] {dino} mei sm l .90
[10:16] {jfjf64} 1:1
[10:17] {nemo} BTFD!!!!!
[10:18] {jfjf64} btfd
[10:19] {RonS} amba thump
01[10:23] {@Threei} Long Setup:  IWM  .15 break
[10:23] {dino} cybr sm l .09
01[10:23] {@Threei}  Invalidated
[10:25] {nemo} looks like spy wants to test 206 and the gap
[10:25] {jfjf64} 1:2
[10:26] {jfjf64} 1:3
[10:27] {jfjf64} 1:4
01[10:27] {@Threei}  nice one
[10:27] {dino} wtg jf
[10:27] {jfjf64} nemo ya buy the btfd
[10:28] {nemo} fuck no
[10:28] {nemo} and haven't found anywhere to get in
[10:29] {jfjf64} stop.15
[10:31] {jfjf64} stop.22
[10:31] {jfjf64} 1:5
[10:31] {jfjf64} 1:6
[10:32] {jfjf64} 1:7
[10:32] {jfjf64} me so out
01[10:32] {@Threei}  fantastic catch
[10:33] {jfjf64} ty
[10:33] {jfjf64} went as low as 117.01 on pullbk
[10:33] {jfjf64} after 1;1
[10:33] {dino} wow and lol, wtfd
[10:33] {dino} wtfg
[10:34] {jfjf64} some times ya a dove   some time statue
01[10:34] {@Threei}  :)
[10:34] {dino} sometimes you eat the bear...
[10:34] {jfjf64} yes
[10:34] {jfjf64} rather lulu
[10:35] {RonS} took cybr .05 out .55 +.50 thanks dino
[10:35] {jfjf64} 20 break vxx
[10:37] {dino} yw ron, gj
[10:37] {jfjf64} 1;1
[10:39] {dino} jf in the zone....
[10:39] {jfjf64} I wish
[10:39] {jfjf64} ty
[10:39] {nemo} Twilight Zone
[10:40] {jfjf64} lol
[10:45] {JoebiWan} rh .98 break?
[10:45] {JoebiWan} 98
01[10:45] {@Threei}  spread is beyond my risk preferences
[10:46] {jfjf64} .20 break dal
[10:47] {jfjf64} hold 10
[10:48] {jfjf64} 1:1
[10:50] {jfjf64} out
[10:50] {dptl} hds .95 long if holds .85
01[10:53] {@Threei} Long Setup:  SLW  .15 break
01[10:53] {@Threei}  If holds  .10
[10:58] {dptl} stop to .89 hds almost riched 1:1
[11:02] {jfjf64} .70 break s lulu
[11:02] {jfjf64} invalid
01[11:05] {@Threei}  1:1
[11:06] {jfjf64} lets go slw
[11:06] {jfjf64} hod
[11:07] {dino} amba sm l .25
[11:08] {JoebiWan} in with ya dino
[11:09] {jfjf64} .70 break lulu s
[11:10] {jfjf64} nope
[11:13] {ese} gotta ....3 shows in the next 5 days......watchin jf......good job...rockin...cya all
[11:13] {ese} gotta go
[11:13] {dptl} out hds
[11:14] {jfjf64} rock +roll ese
[11:14] {ese} cya jf
[11:14] {ese} nice job today
[11:14] {jfjf64} ty
[11:15] {jfjf64} just need to be consistant
[11:15] {jfjf64} common slw
[11:15] {jfjf64} do ya work
[11:16] {dptl} rio watching .30 break long
[11:17] {jfjf64} .33 stop vg
[11:17] {dptl} or .20 short double sided i think
[11:18] {jfjf64} ?
01[11:20] {@Threei}  1:2
[11:20] {jfjf64} thought ya fell off chair
[11:20] {JoebiWan} out slw  ty vad
[11:20] {jfjf64} me outty
01[11:20] {@Threei}  I think long is more likely, jg
01[11:21] {@Threei}  jf
02[11:23] * Disconnected
Session Close: Thu Dec 11 11:23:11 2014

Session Start: Thu Dec 11 11:23:11 2014
Session Ident: #discussions
02[11:26] * Attempting to rejoin channel #discussions
03[11:26] * Rejoined channel #discussions
[11:27] {jfjf64} got booted
01[11:27] {Threei}  1:3  SLW
03[11:28] * Retrieving #discussions modes...
[11:29] {jfjf64} .95 break vxx
01[11:34] {@Threei}  closed at 1:4
01[11:34] {@Threei}  I guess today we are dove
01[11:44] {@Threei} Long Setup:  VLO  .50 break
01[11:45] {@Threei}  If holds  .40
[11:47] {dptl} rio .20 break sh if holds .30
01[11:47] {@Threei}  Invalidated
[11:51] {JoebiWan} stop amba -.30
[11:51] {dptl} stopped rio
01[11:51] {@Threei}  how many trades on RIO today?
[11:52] {dptl} 2
01[11:52] {@Threei}  none worked?
[11:52] {dptl} one flat and this one
01[11:52] {@Threei}  hope you are not going for the third
[11:53] {dptl} i am gonna take a break now
01[12:01] {@Threei}  Volatility is back this week, with US equity markets see-sawing higher today after the up-and-downs of the last three sessions. This morning the decent retail sales report has sent the DJIA and the S&P500 up more than one percent a piece. WTI crude came within a whisker of a 50 handle this morning, and as of writing is around $60.86
[12:03] {dino} dp, imo you're pushing too hard
[12:07] {jfjf64} thoughts vxx
01[12:08] {@Threei}  pullback under .80 and will be interested in recross entry
01[12:18] {@Threei} Short Setup: VLO  .25 break
01[12:19] {@Threei}  If holds  .35
[12:29] {JoebiWan} twtr?
01[12:29] {@Threei}  .85 short...
[12:33] {JoebiWan} s twtr .85
[12:34] {dptl} same in twtr in vlo
[12:34] {dptl} half size both
01[12:36] {@Threei}  Reuters: Russia condemns US over 'inquisitorial torture'
01[12:36] {@Threei}  MOSCOW - Russia is shocked by revelations about CIA torture in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks
01[12:36] {@Threei}  must be the most ironic headline of the month
01[12:38] {@Threei}  this is coming from country where norm is, say, to place a suspect in the camera with hardcore criminals and instruct them to beast the crap out of him until he begs to let him sign a confession
01[12:38] {@Threei}  beat
01[12:40] {@Threei}  no go VLO
[12:40] {dptl} stopped vlo
01[12:44] {@Threei}  1:1  TWTR
[12:44] {dptl} out 1/3 ty
01[12:45] {@Threei}  jw, this is where you say "yw"
[12:45] {JoebiWan} yw dp!
01[12:45] {@Threei}  and don't add any smiles or whatever, stay cool
01[12:45] {@Threei}  exclamation marks are no no either
01[12:46] {@Threei}  just, you know... "sure bud, whatever"
[12:46] {JoebiWan} aint no thing
[12:46] {dino} mei sm l .00
[12:48] {dptl} cop .10 long
[12:48] {dptl} if holds 65
[12:49] {JoebiWan} out mei +.52 thx dino
01[12:49] {@Threei}  wtg
[12:50] {dino} wow gj joe
[12:50] {JoebiWan} did you stop out amba earlier?
[12:53] {JoebiWan} twtr 1:2
[12:53] {dptl} 2/3 out twtr
01[12:54] {@Threei}  1:2
[12:55] {dino} yes -.35
[12:57] {dino} out cybr .92 -.18
[12:58] {dino} amba sm l .80
[13:00] {RonS} amba seems to be trading w/ gpro fwiw
[13:02] {dino} thx ron
[13:04] {dino} fb feels like it wants 80 strike
[13:07] {dptl} stopped cop
[13:08] {dptl} out twtr
01[13:11] {@Threei}  Small earthquake off the coast of Vancouver Island
[13:15] {dptl} watching wfm .20 sh
01[13:15] {@Threei}  nice chart
01[13:15] {@Threei}  I ish it weren't lunch time
[13:17] {dptl} i'll try half
[13:21] {dptl} oh.. bids were gone i got in
01[13:25] {@Threei}  http://rottenpanda.com/things-that-only-happen-in-canada/
[13:26] {dptl} hal watching .70 sh if holds .80
[13:35] {JoebiWan} lol that canadian grafitti
01[13:35] {@Threei}  most of the are true... the rest are hillarious :)
01[13:36] {@Threei}  I am telling you, this must be the only country where the guy whose foot you step on says sorry
01[13:36] {@Threei}  and that's a rude one
01[13:36] {@Threei}  polite one will also ask if you are OK
[13:37] {dptl} will move stop to .76 hal
[13:38] {JoebiWan} lol dude watching hockey surrounded by 20 chicks
[13:38] {dptl} 1/3 out hal
[13:41] {RonS} got amba +.85 thanks dino
[13:42] {JoebiWan} gj
01[13:43] {@Threei}  nice
[13:45] {RonS} Goldman CEO on China's economic data:
[13:45] {RonS} "Do I believe the numbers? I believe there are numbers”
01[13:45] {@Threei}  lol
[13:46] {dino} amba stop to .83
[13:47] {dino} mei drop again, gap 35.70s
[13:49] {dino} out amba .81, +1.01
[13:49] {JoebiWan} nj
[13:49] {dino} ty
[13:53] {RonS} nj = nut job?
[13:53] {dptl} 2/3 out hal
[13:54] {RonS} mei mei in Chinese means little sister...and mei is growing shorter by the minute...
[13:54] {nemo} should bounce by .40
01[13:54] {@Threei}  jw is canadian in his heart ron... it was "nice" job
[13:54] {RonS} ah
[13:54] {JoebiWan} sorry
01[13:54] {@Threei}  no, I am sorry
[13:54] {RonS} lol
01[13:54] {@Threei}  :)
[13:55] {dptl} out hal
01[13:55] {@Threei}  wtg
[13:55] {nemo} mhhh, if indexes pickup, FB over .46 could go for a ride
01[13:56] {@Threei}  I'd even get .40 break as aggressive
01[13:56] {@Threei}  if SPY started signaling first
[13:57] {nemo} indexes weird though IWM holding under VWAP spy and finnies just above
01[13:57] {@Threei}  see, we have .50 - .52 resistance
[13:57] {nemo} Qs above
01[13:57] {@Threei}  .46 is too close
01[13:57] {@Threei}  .40 will give room for partial there
01[13:57] {@Threei}  to secure a trade
01[13:57] {@Threei}  anyway, SPY rug pull
[13:58] {nemo} to just below vwap
[13:58] {nemo} get all the long stops under there
01[13:58] {@Threei}  we already ssw the most itonic headline of the day,
[13:58] {nemo} that's also the morning breakout area
[13:58] {nemo} bustin alot of stops
01[13:58] {@Threei}  now comes the most moronic:
01[13:58] {@Threei}  (US) White House Press Sec Earnest: US closely watches oil prices
[13:58] {dino} mei wtf
[13:58] {dino} gap fill and more on a big beat and raise
[13:59] {RonS} but do they watch them earnestly?...
[14:00] {dino} adding mei calls
06[14:00] * @Threei slants at nemo to see how he takes this severe abuse of humor
[14:00] {RonS} month/strike?
[14:00] {nemo} I threw up on the keyboard
01[14:00] {@Threei}  thought so
01[14:01] {@Threei}  I swear ron does it with you in mind
[14:01] {RonS} rotflol
[14:01] {nemo} I have no doubt
[14:02] {dptl} wfm stop to .26
[14:04] {dino} mei sm l .50 break
[14:12] {nemo} vxx might be a short soon
[14:16] {nemo} nope, looks like they're gonna drop the market
[14:17] {RonS} test
[14:17] {RonS} .../cl busted 60
[14:18] {dptl} 1/3 out wfm
[14:18] {JoebiWan} same ty dp
[14:18] {dptl} yw
[14:18] {JoebiWan} took its sweet time
[14:19] {pamsv} cheers all - have a good evening!
01[14:20] {@Threei}  take care pam :)
[14:21] {nemo} think this is it
[14:22] {RonS} said the guy channeling Kenny Loggins...
[14:22] {nemo} yeah, and your mutha don't dance
[14:22] {dptl} not complaining but but dont understand if i have a pending order  bid at .10 let say to get fill at .08? happens quite offten
[14:22] {RonS} saw them back in the day...
[14:23] {nemo} me 2
[14:23] {RonS} ucsb...messina still lives in SB
[14:24] {dptl} how is that possible?
01[14:24] {@Threei}  you'll have to ask logix guys dp
[14:24] {RonS} can you spell ... o l d?
[14:24] {dptl} and seeing prints at .10 going
01[14:24] {@Threei}  ot has to do with logic of rouging algorithm
01[14:24] {@Threei}  routing
[14:24] {RonS} oh, sorry...
[14:24] {dino} dp, slippage, it happens
01[14:25] {@Threei}  dino... he is getting orice improvement
01[14:25] {@Threei}  on limit order
[14:25] {dptl} no its not about slippage ..its somethingelse
[14:26] {dptl} pending limit yes
01[14:27] {@Threei}  I have my suspicion
01[14:27] {@Threei}  but I'd rather they answered it
[14:27] {dptl} ok, what is it
01[14:27] {@Threei}  let me put it this way:
[14:27] {dino} hmmm, i get fills all around my pendings, sometimes better, most times pemmy or three worse
01[14:28] {@Threei}  as long as you don't encounter situation where .10 prints go through and level is pierced, you don't get your fill and price bounces, be happy :)
[14:28] {JoebiWan} i had one .12 cents worse than a sell limit order today
[14:28] {dptl} when you punch the price you want yes..but i am talking pending orders
[14:28] {JoebiWan} out wfm
[14:29] {dptl} 2/3 out
[14:30] {dptl} some time i see level gone, but i still not filled until next level appers
[14:30] {nemo} logix does not get the best fills, probably not collocated
01[14:31] {@Threei}  that crap is gone
01[14:31] {@Threei}  forget colocation thingy, it's dead
[14:31] {nemo} what crap
[14:31] {nemo} really, how do you figure?
01[14:31] {@Threei}  one more year, no one will even remember what HFT was
01[14:31] {@Threei}  easy
01[14:32] {@Threei}  profits dropped significatnly, HFT war for milliseconds doesn't pay for itself anymore
01[14:32] {@Threei}  number of firms decreased greatly
01[14:32] {@Threei}  remaining ones fight for the share of decreasing pie
[14:32] {nemo} as long as their advantage is not enforceably regulated out, they'll be around...they have a physics infrastructure advantage
01[14:33] {@Threei}  expense of colocation and endless war for speed is not compensated for anymore
01[14:33] {@Threei}  they will be around, sure
[14:33] {dptl} even now my order to buy at 48(pending), was filled at 47.99
01[14:33] {@Threei}  in smaller numbers, with way lower volume
[14:33] {nemo} I've watched on stocks I was playing that had a .02-.03 cent spread.  I'd send an order, and an order would pop up right in front of me before I got their
[14:34] {nemo} there
[14:34] {nemo} bounce time?
01[14:34] {@Threei}  so what? This kinf of things was always happening
[14:35] {dptl} out wfm 1:3
01[14:35] {@Threei}  you cxan't confidently sttirbute it to HFT algorithms
[14:35] {nemo} not like this
[14:35] {JoebiWan} gj dp
[14:35] {dptl} ty
[14:35] {nemo} Look, there's a documented difference in time stamping between the SIP and collocated system...that's a physical advantage
01[14:35] {@Threei}  gosh... who argues with that
01[14:35] {@Threei}  you don't listen to what I say
[14:36] {dptl} and agai .90 bid filled at .89 lol
[14:36] {nemo} o.k. so the species population will reduce, but they will still be there
01[14:36] {@Threei}  [14:33] {@Threei} they will be around, sure
[14:36] {jfjf64} anything going on
01[14:36] {@Threei}  yes... dp makes money
[14:37] {nemo} and they will feed on those who don't have their advantage
[14:37] {jfjf64} nice
01[14:37] {@Threei}  nemo argues with himself
[14:37] {jfjf64} nice
[14:37] {nemo} so we will continue to get sub par fills
[14:37] {dptl} hmm..more like recovering again. with small sh. still down
[14:37] {nemo} I can't read today
01[14:38] {@Threei}  2013:
01[14:38] {@Threei}  Whether high-frequency trading is good for investors or bad, one fact that no one disputes is the drastic drop in HFT profits.
01[14:38] {@Threei}  2104 was even more pronounced
[14:38] {nemo} sure, less room in the ecosystem
01[14:39] {@Threei}  no, it's worxse than that
01[14:39] {@Threei}  look:
01[14:39] {@Threei}  Just how much smaller are the profits? Well, for GETCO, the largest HFT player in the U.S. markets, profits from HFT shrank 82% last year, down $110.2 million from 2011. That's staggering.
[14:39] {dino} 2104, i must have fallen asleep
01[14:39] {@Threei}  hehe
01[14:39] {@Threei}  Profits from all market participants using high-frequency trading strategies dropped to $1 billion last year, reportedly down from $5 billion just four years ago.
01[14:39] {@Threei}  Does this mean HFT will disappear? No, certainly not. However, the game has shifted. No longer can anyone with a server, an algo and some capital enter the high-frequency trading space and expect to compete.
[14:40] {jfjf64} vxx chart nice
[14:40] {jfjf64} missed ride up
[14:40] {nemo} short was .50 but I hesitated
[14:41] {jfjf64} looks good
[14:41] {dptl} you cant short vxx
[14:41] {JoebiWan} are u able to short vxx?
[14:41] {nemo} long xiv
[14:41] {jfjf64} slow with trigger finger today
[14:42] {jfjf64} what is xiv
[14:42] {nemo} jf.....
[14:42] {nemo} wtf!!!!
[14:42] {dptl} vxx with screen upsiddown
[14:43] {nemo} drinking again dp?
[14:43] {jfjf64} never traded before
[14:43] {nemo} that's what u do when you can't short vxx
[14:43] {nemo} but looks like it was good I missed...today is weird
[14:43] {dptl} def of xiv :)
[14:44] {dino} inverse vix
[14:44] {jfjf64} ty
[14:45] {jfjf64} basically the spy
[14:47] {dptl} watching cop for bounce
[14:49] {nemo} sp bounce betwee .18 and the whole
[14:51] {dptl} in .49 stop
[14:51] {jfjf64} nailed it nemo
[14:52] {nemo} not quite, only got down to .29, but it might get lower on a DB dp
[14:53] {nemo} ;-)
[14:54] {jfjf64} short fcx .30 break
[14:56] {dptl} 1/3 out
[14:56] {dptl} be stop
[14:57] {dptl} out
[14:58] {nemo} big volume spy
[14:58] {dptl} still watching for reload
[14:58] {nemo} trying to bottom it
[14:59] {dptl} in
[14:59] {nemo} you need a stop to below the whole here
[15:00] {nemo} spy really starting th throw volume at these levels
[15:00] {nemo} will they be pissin' in the wind?
[15:02] {nemo} you partial yet dp?
[15:02] {dptl} 1/3 out
[15:04] {jfjf64} stop on fcx .31
[15:04] {jfjf64} cant get out of own way
[15:04] {jfjf64}  die
01[15:04] {@Threei}  whew... dp, I am really tired of pushing that frikin COP for you
01[15:05] {@Threei}  not even saying of being borderline illegal
[15:05] {dino} lol
[15:07] {jfjf64} common gimme 1:1
[15:08] {dptl} out cop
[15:10] {jfjf64} it breaks .20 gonna die
[15:15] {dptl} thinking short .54 now cop
[15:15] {jfjf64} 1:1
[15:15] {nemo} pr ;pmg abpve /68
[15:16] {nemo} bottomed at pivot
[15:16] {nemo} or long @.68
[15:16] {dptl} yes
[15:17] {dptl} but i like sh more
[15:17] {nemo} like is an emotion
[15:17] {nemo} what triggers
[15:19] {dptl} three days in a row i am loosing in the morning and doing better in the afternoon....
[15:19] {nemo} don't come in in the morning
01[15:20] {@Threei}  and then it will change
[15:20] {nemo} we'll all feel better
[15:20] {dptl} yeah
01[15:20] {@Threei}  for how long it was the opposite, productive morningsa and dead afternoons?
[15:20] {jfjf64} get chopped up commission when trying to dig out
[15:20] {jfjf64} I know
[15:20] {jfjf64} sucks
06[15:20] * nemo {=dickhead
[15:21] {dptl} yeah...dont know what to do
[15:22] {jfjf64} cant trade all day
01[15:22] {@Threei}  gosh...
[15:22] {jfjf64} we know that
01[15:22] {@Threei}  I better shut up
[15:22] {jfjf64} stattue/dove
[15:22] {jfjf64} what were ya gonna say 3i
[15:24] {dino} paper trade the early morning, until it starts working
01[15:24] {@Threei} Long Setup:  IWM  .75 break
01[15:24] {@Threei}  If holds  .65
[15:25] {jfjf64} stop.21 fcx
[15:25] {dino} i had a time when i always missed on my first trade. now i start later, 9:45
01[15:26] {@Threei}  no go
[15:26] {nemo} I see a short setup
[15:27] {nemo} but I think they try to get spy to vwap @.30ish
01[15:27] {@Threei}  no way
01[15:27] {@Threei}  no short here
[15:27] {dptl} out 1/3 cop
[15:28] {jfjf64} keep get kicked off all day
[15:28] {jfjf64} micosoft essentials
01[15:28] {@Threei}  it sucks
01[15:28] {@Threei}  shut it down
01[15:28] {@Threei}  why do ou need it anyway?
[15:29] {nemo} they suck...get Tass-Watch from Ngran.com
[15:29] {RonS} neve had a problem w/ it...
[15:29] {nemo} Tas-Watch
01[15:29] {@Threei}  do you open e-mails with attachments that say "here is your penis enlargement?"
[15:29] {JoebiWan} lol
[15:29] {RonS} only when mt wife calls me "lttle shorty"...
[15:30] {JoebiWan} aw
[15:30] {nemo} what's great about Tas-watch is it works at the sub-Windows level...malware and viruses don't see it
01[15:30] {@Threei}  or install programs that promise to earn money for you qwhile you are asleep?
01[15:30] {@Threei}  frikin rinse
[15:30] {jfjf64} get it online tas watch
[15:30] {nemo} yes
[15:30] {nemo} ngran.com
[15:31] {jfjf64} ty
[15:31] {jfjf64} im only usin essentials as of now
[15:31] {nemo} http://ngran.com/products.html
[15:31] {jfjf64} ty nemo
[15:31] {dptl} out cop
[15:31] {nemo} even they said to stop using them
[15:31] {jfjf64} ?
[15:31] {nemo} Microsoft
[15:32] {jfjf64} 1:2
[15:32] {jfjf64} stop .16
[15:34] {nemo} when you get it JF, run an intial scan creating a system Hash, then update it once a week or so
[15:35] {dptl} .60 sh cop will try
[15:36] {JoebiWan} stop mei -.04
[15:37] {jfjf64} 1:3
[15:37] {jfjf64} stop.10
[15:38] {dptl} nope out cap
[15:38] {nemo} held the close and pivot
[15:38] {jfjf64} bigvol bar
[15:39] {jfjf64} stop .08
[15:44] {jfjf64} out
[15:47] {jfjf64} good night all
[15:47] {jfjf64} enjoy
[15:48] {dino} gn
[15:56] {dino} wow dji giving it all back
[15:56] {dptl} oops
01[15:56] {@Threei}  yeah
01[15:57] {@Threei}  OK guys, thank you all
[15:57] {dptl} were we disconected
01[15:57] {@Threei}  have a good evening, see you tomorrow
[15:57] {dptl} gn all
[15:57] {JoebiWan} gn ty
[15:58] {dino} out mei .68, +.18



Wednesday, December 10, 2014

Dec 10 2014

Another annoying day, with good trades here and there but ending in red 


Session Time: Wed Dec 10 00:00:00 2014

[09:02] {JoebiWan} gm
01[09:03] {@Threei}  jw :)
[09:10] {dino} gm
[09:10] {RonS} um
[09:10] {RonS} uber morning
01[09:10] {@Threei}  dino, ron :)
01[09:11] {@Threei}  you took taxi to work this morning?
[09:11] {RonS} taxing my brain...
01[09:11] {@Threei}  uber? taxi?
01[09:12] {@Threei}  might not exist in your state...
[09:12] {RonS} trying anything to prevent groundhog day...
[09:22] {jfjf64} mornin
01[09:22] {@Threei}  jf :)
[09:27] {ese} gm
01[09:27] {@Threei}  ese :)
01[09:28] {@Threei}  Upside:
01[09:28] {@Threei}  -LIVE +9.4% (update on traffic growth in national advertising campaign expansion)
01[09:28] {@Threei}  -BDC +5.5% (acquiring Tripwire for $710M)
01[09:28] {@Threei}  -UAL +2.9% (IATA sees 2015 airline profits increasing y/y/lower oil prices; DAL, JBLU, AAL all also up 2-3% on the report)
01[09:28] {@Threei}  -LAKE +2.4% (new Congressional spending bill contains Ebola funding; AZN, TKMR also up marginally on the news)
01[09:28] {@Threei}  Downside:
01[09:28] {@Threei}  -WATT -10% (prices 2.857M share offering at $7/shr)
01[09:28] {@Threei}  -GDP -8.3% (initial FY15 production guidance)
01[09:28] {@Threei}  -ALLT -8% (negative broker commentary)
01[09:28] {@Threei}  -FRPT -6% (earnings)
01[09:28] {@Threei}  -LE -5.8% (earnings)
01[09:28] {@Threei}  -NQ -5.5% (Dr. Henry Lin stepped down as Co-CEO)
01[09:28] {@Threei}  -MILL -5.2% (earnings)
01[09:28] {@Threei}  -KKD -4.6% (earnings)
01[09:28] {@Threei}  -YUM -4.5% (initial FY15 guidance)
[09:28] {ese} mornin vad....as of yesterday morning all my dental stitching is gone.....last ones taken out
[09:28] {pamsv} gm
01[09:28] {@Threei}  pam :)
[09:28] {ese} pam
01[09:29] {@Threei}  congratulations ese... you don't look like frankenstein's worst creation anymore
[09:29] {ese} no i'm beautiful now
[09:29] {dino} le gap fill early dec
[09:29] {dptl} good morning
01[09:29] {@Threei}  and nemo is not here to spoil this moment for you
01[09:29] {@Threei}  double luck
01[09:29] {@Threei}  dp :)
[09:30] {ese} ddddddddddddddddppppppppppppppppppppp!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:30] {dptl} :)
[09:30] {ese} ya bad statement .......phew...nemo ain't here
[09:30] {dino} glad your better ese
[09:31] {ese} tks dino.....don't really wanna be goin through that again for a while
01[09:34] {@Threei} Long Setup:  VXX  .90 break
01[09:34] {@Threei}  If holds  .85
01[09:34] {@Threei}  1:1
01[09:35] {@Threei}  1:2
[09:36] {dino} ugh, trading computer crashed
01[09:36] {@Threei}  yikes
01[09:36] {@Threei}  1:3
01[09:36] {@Threei}  out
[09:36] {JoebiWan} nice job. missed that one
[09:37] {dino} gj
01[09:39] {@Threei} Long Setup:  VXX  28 break
01[09:39] {@Threei}  If holds  .90
01[09:40] {@Threei}  trail to .94
01[09:40] {@Threei}  meh
01[09:40] {@Threei}  1 cent to 1:1
01[09:43] {@Threei}  ugh
[09:45] {dino} le sm l ave .76
[09:47] {dptl} dal
[09:47] {dino} le stop -.35
[09:48] {dptl} .80 short watching
[09:50] {dptl} out half
[09:50] {dptl}  only half lot got it
[09:53] {dino} le sm l .01 wide
[09:54] {dino} out le .73, +.72
[09:54] {JoebiWan} gj
[09:54] {dino} ty
[09:54] {dino} pulp type
01[09:57] {@Threei} Long Setup:  JPM  .20 break
01[09:57] {@Threei}  If holds  .10
[09:59] {dino} xiv l .71
01[09:59] {@Threei}  stop .14
01[09:59] {@Threei}  touched 1:1 briefly
[10:00] {dino} le sm l .45
01[10:00] {@Threei}  half out
01[10:01] {@Threei}  stop to .19
01[10:01] {@Threei}  1:1
[10:02] {dptl} ty jp
01[10:02] {@Threei}  yw
[10:05] {dptl} out second half
[10:05] {dino} out le .12, +
[10:05] {dino} .67
[10:06] {dino} +.67
[10:07] {dptl} ahh...jp rinsed second half :)
[10:07] {dino} out jpm .45, +.24 hl, ty vad
01[10:07] {@Threei}  :)
[10:07] {ese} L IBN .09
[10:08] {dino} markets don't know which way to go...if they don't drop soon, up we go
[10:08] {dino} btfd
[10:09] {dptl} watching hal for short entry
[10:09] {dino} eog starting to get interesting, perhaps 90-120 day calls
[10:11] {dptl} in hal .41 stop
[10:13] {dptl} nope out
[10:13] {dino} le sm l .51, wide
[10:15] {dptl} watching vlo .60 sh
01[10:17] {@Threei} Long Setup:  DAL  .75 break
01[10:17] {@Threei}  If holds  .65
[10:18] {dino} giddy-up
[10:20] {dino} cybr sm l .25
[10:21] {ese} ya know......I don't think that the tanking of oil is going to have that negative effect......should theoretically lower inflation....ya there maybe some layoffs in the patch but alternative energy is covering that.......hmmmmmmm
01[10:21] {@Threei}  no go
01[10:21] {@Threei}  what alternative energy?
[10:21] {dptl} out dal
[10:21] {JoebiWan} gdxj .50 long?
01[10:21] {@Threei}  where have you seen it covering anything?
[10:22] {cosmo} low oil price kills alternative energy
[10:22] {ese} not to mention the arline industry can now afford to keep there planes in better shape
01[10:22] {@Threei}  not sure jw
[10:22] {dino} lol ese, alternate energy has nothing to do with it, falling prices means too much oil, why would you need alternates
[10:22] {ese} solar, wind etc
[10:23] {dino} if anything it hurts the alternates, solar, wind, etc
01[10:23] {@Threei}  ese... have you seen it anywhere but in triumph rteports of elizabet may?
[10:23] {ese} it's my alternative thinking
[10:23] {dino} reverse it buddy
[10:23] {cosmo} it always has dino
01[10:23] {@Threei}  oil drops, they stop makiing even that little sense they used to
[10:23] {dino} bingo
[10:23] {dino} agreed cosmo kramer
[10:24] {ese} who vad
01[10:24] {@Threei} Long Setup:  IWM  .65 break
01[10:24] {@Threei}  alternative energies
[10:24] {cosmo} cosmo topper....sigh
01[10:24] {@Threei}  If holds  .55
[10:25] {dino} ese who=alternates
[10:25] {dino} out le .10, +.59
[10:25] {ese} lol
01[10:25] {@Threei}  who needs this expensive and ineffective crap when the oil is cheap and abundant?
01[10:25] {@Threei}  Invalidated
[10:26] {dino} right
[10:26] {dptl} short dal .49
[10:26] {ese} my wife has an electric car and it's pretty damn effective
[10:27] {dino} missing the point ese. with lowr oil, alternative fuels are too expensive
[10:27] {ese} actually hybrid
[10:27] {nemo} dino....don't bother
[10:27] {dino} lol, yeah, you're right
[10:28] {nemo} never piss into a strong wind
[10:28] {ese} nahhhhhh......you all are just old dogs.....the worlds a changin boys
[10:28] {dino} i'm starting to see lower oil, lower rates, qe programs, etc. i may be crazy, but they add up to bull, imo
[10:29] {dino} ese, the only thing that stays the same is change. good luck bro
[10:29] {nemo} I wouldn't be surprised if this is coordinated with the Saudis to add fiscal stimulus
[10:30] {dino} i will be buying oil calls while yo mess with expensive solar, etc
[10:30] {dino} or nemo...how about to slow down the move to alternatives???
[10:30] {ese} to the younger generation lower oil aint gonna mean sh....I remember about a year back asking my classes ( senior math classes) if they would still consider buy gas cars now that things are electric
[10:30] {nemo} yeah, but they're coming  the Kyoto protocols are moving
01[10:31] {@Threei}  their math is pretty bad if they said no
[10:31] {cosmo} There will always be gas for my acura
[10:31] {ese} they are all goin alternative......in one way shape or form.....kids are savy that way
[10:31] {nemo} Even the Saudi's are investing big in solar
[10:31] {RonS} rotflol
01[10:31] {@Threei}  lol
[10:31] {dptl} sheesh stopped dal
[10:31] {dino} ese, yuor class doesn't pay for the cars yet. people vote their wallets, oil will remain relevant for a very long time
[10:31] {ese} actually not all...there were a couple that would still go the same route
01[10:32] {@Threei}  ese... the are young idiots who haven't made a dime yet anfd haven't learned to live on their own money and balance their checkbooks
01[10:32] {@Threei}  their opinion is irrelevant
[10:32] {ese} i'm not saying its not relevant.....i'm just saying it may not have the same effect as it used to
[10:32] {dino} everybodys a liberal until they get a full time job
01[10:32] {@Threei}  when they start living in real world and see how much their electric car costs
[10:32] {ese} ya vad but they will
01[10:32] {@Threei}  and what mileage they get out of it
01[10:33] {@Threei}  then ask them again
01[10:33] {@Threei}  oh, and how much their battery costs to replace in 5 years
[10:33] {ese} but they aren't looking at it like that........they are looking at how we have destroyed the enviroment and are looking to change it ...regardless of the cost
[10:34] {nemo} nevermind the environmental costs of producing those batteries...talk about energy and resource intensive
[10:34] {dino} agree w/vad, in textbooks/classes it sounds great, until you have to pay for it
01[10:34] {@Threei}  then, when they learn to think deeper than Ms May wants them ti, ask them to look into what mining the elements to make that battery does to environment
[10:34] {RonS} Winston Churchill: "if you are not liberal when you are young, you have no heart; if you are not conservative when you are old, you have no brain."
01[10:34] {@Threei}  and their green consciousness will change to reality
[10:34] {dino} "destroyed the environment"??????????
01[10:34] {@Threei}  greens lied to you ese... stop listening to that bs
[10:34] {dino} liberal dogma!
01[10:35] {@Threei}  better yet, stop encouraging that youth to listen to greens
[10:35] {cosmo} greens don't know they are lying
[10:35] {ese} just throwin out there boys
01[10:35] {@Threei}  their brains are screwed up enough as it
[10:35] {dino} just because somebody says its true, does not make it true
[10:36] {ese} it out there
[10:36] {nemo} TRYING TO CONVERT ESE  Round 3842
[10:36] {RonS} lol
[10:36] {ese} lol
01[10:37] {@Threei} Long Setup:  VXX  .55 break
[10:37] {RonS} Jesus Christ couldn't convert ese...
[10:37] {dptl} .38 sh dal ..one more try
01[10:37] {@Threei}  If holds  .45
[10:38] {dino} lol
[10:39] {dptl} sh hal .29
[10:39] {ese} market is like golf......want the ball to go right....swing left....want the ball to go left...swing right......don't go with the crowd.....isn't that what all the mrkt books say
01[10:40] {@Threei}  no go
01[10:46] {@Threei} Short Setup: MCD  .80 break
[10:46] {dptl} stopped dal..leaving it along
01[10:46] {@Threei}  If holds  .90
[10:48] {dptl} stopped hal..what th..
01[10:48] {@Threei}  ?
01[10:48] {@Threei}  how do you get stopped twice out of one trade
[10:49] {dptl} hal dal
01[10:49] {@Threei}  oh
01[10:49] {@Threei}  lol
[10:49] {RonS} took le 43.49 out 44.65 +1.16  thanks dino
[10:49] {dptl} really bad today
[10:49] {dino} need new specs 3i
[10:50] {dptl} almost stop for the day
[10:50] {jfjf64} rcl .90 break
[10:50] {RonS} nutz
[10:50] {RonS} and i thought was being aggressive
[10:50] {dino} out remaining le .81, +1.30
[10:51] {dino} dp, take an hour break, clear your head
[10:54] {dptl} ye i guess
[10:54] {dino} seriously. i do it about every day. step away from the creeens. when you come back its like a nwe day
[10:54] {dino} screens
[10:54] {dino} new
[10:54] {dino} sheesh
01[10:55] {@Threei}  what sheesh dino... just two mistypes in the whole sentence, and it took you just one try to correct both?
[10:55] {ese} go for a drive in a new electric car dino........nice an quiet and relaxing
01[10:55] {@Threei}  by my standards, you are doing exceptionally well
[10:55] {dino} :)
[10:55] {RonS} omg
[10:56] {dino} sorry ese, just bought a new cherokee
01[10:56] {@Threei}  Invalidated  MCD
[10:56] {RonS} how old is she?
[10:56] {dino} lol
01[10:56] {@Threei}  lol
[10:56] {ese} ya......i bought a gas guzzling landrover a couple of years back
01[10:56] {@Threei}  he did
[10:56] {RonS} those thing are crap...worst ride ever...
01[10:57] {@Threei}  and happy with it like a sailor in brothel
[10:57] {dino} this thing gets 30 mpg on highway, quite a step up from my ndurango at 15
[10:57] {ese} i love that thing
01[10:57] {@Threei}  see? green sacrifice is good... for someone else to make {GGG}
[10:57] {jfjf64} 1;1
01[10:57] {@Threei}  RCL works, jf
[10:59] {jfjf64} 1:2
[11:00] {RonS} ese says unfair of you to make $ on rcl, non electric, only diesel...
[11:01] {jfjf64} lol
[11:03] {jfjf64} flagin nice
[11:04] {RonS} dino emes gone pulp
[11:08] {dino} ?
[11:08] {dino} watching it, but continues down w/oil stocks
[11:09] {dino} that and hclp ron, dead meat for now imo
[11:09] {dino} le sm l .70
[11:12] {RonS} Dylan trade?:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6ODMKSWzT4
[11:14] {nemo} GMCR wow
01[11:17] {@Threei} Long Setup:  JPM  .40 break
01[11:17] {@Threei}  If holds  .30
[11:19] {dino} markets frozen
[11:19] {RonS} bif xmas item
[11:20] {RonS} -f +g
01[11:21] {@Threei}  ron... how do you manage to make this correction sound dirty?
01[11:22] {@Threei}  (... or is it me...)
01[11:22] {@Threei} Long Setup:  JPM  .25 break
[11:22] {RonS} kid at door on halloween...starts talking to frien...his mom says :  let's go Olaf.... i think geez, who would name their kid that?
01[11:23] {@Threei}  Vikings?
[11:23] {RonS} hw was wearing an Olaf costume from the movie Frozen...which i have not seen...
[11:23] {dino} ahh
[11:23] {dino} cala spike
01[11:24] {@Threei}  speaking of... ese, do you know that Vikings used to grow crops in Greenland in early Middle Ages?
01[11:24] {@Threei}  half out JPM
01[11:25] {@Threei}  stop .24
[11:25] {dino} its all cycles 3i
[11:25] {RonS} Calithera Biosciences Gains Exclusive, Worldwide License to Mars Symbioscience's Arginase Inhibitors
[11:25] {RonS} wow, went off-planet...
01[11:26] {@Threei}  lol
[11:26] {dino} hell of a commute
01[11:26] {@Threei}  I know dino... but there are two hacks who told ese otherwise
[11:28] {dino} damn cala none avail
01[11:37] {@Threei} Short Setup: MCD  .90 break
01[11:37] {@Threei}  If holds  .90
[11:37] {jfjf64} cat .15 break
[11:39] {ese} am outta here....just on the phone to Muscle Shoals Alabama.....looks like my high School band R&B band is going to be doing some recording there in April cya tomorrow
[11:39] {dino} bofi drop'
[11:39] {nemo} wow...that's ridiculously cool
[11:39] {dino} cool ese
[11:39] {jfjf64} good luck eses
01[11:39] {@Threei}  take care ese
[11:41] {ese} tks...any of you from around there
[11:42] {ese} Memphis maybe
[11:43] {RonS} geez it's Mussel Shoals...you would think someone from Victoria would get that...
[11:44] {RonS} unreal
[11:44] {RonS} Muscle Shoals is Venice Beach in LA...
01[11:45] {@Threei}  lol
[11:45] {jfjf64} 1:1 cat
01[11:45] {@Threei}  1:1
01[11:45] {@Threei}  MCD
[11:45] {jfjf64} im in both
[11:45] {jfjf64} lol
[11:46] {jfjf64} out cat
[11:49] {dino} out le .26, +.56
[11:53] {RonS} ergo...le win...
[11:53] {dino} sold  that a buck too soon
[11:54] {dino} reload .00
01[11:54] {@Threei} Long Setup:  JPM  .40 break
01[11:55] {@Threei}  If holds  .30
[11:55] {RonS} wow, hearing rig at '95 levels
[11:55] {dino} out le .40, +
[11:55] {dino} +.40
01[11:55] {@Threei}  long term chart looks horrifying
01[11:55] {@Threei}  RIG
[11:56] {JoebiWan} gj dino
[11:56] {dino} ty
[11:58] {nemo} it's looking like a short now
[12:01] {jfjf64} uso .10 break
[12:05] {dino} that lands end/le has been good to me today
[12:05] {dino} might have to buy some of their stuff
[12:06] {jfjf64} lol
[12:06] {jfjf64} milk that cow
[12:06] {RonS} used to be good... stopped shopping there when Sears bought it
[12:06] {RonS} but now independent... go cheeseheads...
[12:07] {dptl} stopped jp
[12:09] {RonS} hey 3i...get cheesehead reference?
01[12:09] {@Threei}  with gogle help, yes :)
[12:09] {RonS} http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=cheesehead+picture&qpvt=cheesehead+picture&FORM=IGRE
[12:10] {RonS} LE Wisconsin based...
01[12:10] {@Threei}  yup
01[12:10] {@Threei}  Cheesehead is a nickname referring to a person from Wisconsin, referring to the large volume of production of Wisconsin cheese
[12:10] {RonS} actually have a cousin who is married to a dairy owner there...
01[12:11] {@Threei}  but I am bit taken aback by your bing preference...
[12:11] {RonS} ya well, stopped fighting msft and joined them...
01[12:12] {@Threei}  cosmo will never forgive you
01[12:12] {@Threei}  he still uses Netscape Navigator
01[12:13] {@Threei}  last person on earth
[12:13] {dino} my son applied to u of wisconsin
[12:13] {dino} should know within a month
[12:14] {RonS} "hey dad, i want to move from a cold place to a colder one"
01[12:15] {@Threei}  hey... as ,long as he stays clear of Fargo, which is a gateway to Winnipeg
[12:15] {dino} no kidding, thats what i said. he also applied to u of florida, nc state, mit, & michigan. number 1 in his class. wants nuclear engineering
[12:16] {dino} we had some serious road trips last ummer visiting colleges
[12:16] {RonS} when I moved from the Bay Area to Portland OR my Dad said "why would you want to move to the Appalachia of the West Coast?"
[12:16] {nemo} sanity?
[12:17] {dino} and i know you guys are thinking nerd with #1 spot, but he's an athelete too, lettered in golf and basketball
[12:17] {RonS} it was 1980...12% unemployment at the time...
[12:19] {dptl} stopped for the day
[12:19] {dptl} very bad
[12:20] {dino} sh*t happens dp, don't let it get to you
[12:20] {JoebiWan} same lol
[12:20] {RonS} been to Madison but not the campus...decent town... one of the original liberal institutions though... in fact THE liberal one for years, only chased by Cal Berkeley
[12:20] {nemo} 5 letters DP
01[12:20] {@Threei}  Crude futures are plumbing fresh five-year lows this morning as WTI creeps closer to $60. The surprise drawdown in crude stocks seen in the DoE's weekly inventory report out last Wednesday was not repeated this morning. The DoE report like the API inventory data out last night, showed big increases in inventories.
01[12:21] {@Threei}  told you, those weekly inventories is the most meaningless thing ever
[12:30] {RonS} With 300 million monthly users, Instagram is ready to delete spam accounts forever http://bloom.bg/1x2AyN1
[12:31] {RonS} Instagram 300M users 70M/day 2.5B daily likes & 70% outside USA
01[12:36] {@Threei}  I am told constantly I need to use it for my photography
01[12:36] {@Threei}  haven't found guts for another social network, can't barely stand what I use
01[12:37] {@Threei}  can't = can
01[12:37] {@Threei} Long Setup:  VLO  47 break
01[12:37] {@Threei}  If holds  .90
01[12:40] {@Threei}  change to .90 break
01[12:40] {@Threei}  If holds  ,80
[12:45] {dino} stuck in tight range
01[12:45] {@Threei}  yeah... should break it about now
01[12:49] {@Threei}  1:1
[13:18] {RonS} nemo, you there?
[13:18] {nemo} no
[13:20] {RonS} great aticle in the wsj weekend edition re urban meyer's teaching methods w/ 11 1st year starters and a 3rd string qb...written before Ohio State laid out Wisconsin 52-0
[13:20] {nemo} neat
[13:21] {nemo} just found it
[13:38] {dino} zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
01[13:38] {@Threei} Long Setup:  IWM  .05 break
01[13:39] {@Threei}  If holds  .95
[13:41] {nemo} CTRP
[13:42] {dptl} ?
[13:42] {dptl} what do you see?
[13:43] {dino} tsu spike
[13:43] {nemo} not sure, but the low is pivot, I'm looking for indication
[13:43] {dino} halt
[13:43] {nemo} looks like it could move
01[13:45] {@Threei}  nah
[13:46] {nemo} look at that volume spike
01[13:50] {@Threei}  no news
01[13:50] {@Threei}  these bouts of selling more and more look like trend for now
01[13:50] {@Threei}  BTFD is off for the time being
[13:54] {dino} it was on yesterday
[13:54] {nemo} it'll be on tomorrow
[13:54] {dino} tsu takeover rumors
[13:54] {dino} agree nemo
01[13:55] {@Threei}  yesterday was a bit different in that we had a large gap down
01[13:56] {@Threei}  slide today is intraday thing
[13:56] {dino} its always different, :)
01[13:57] {@Threei}  sure... I mean it's not really comparable pair of situations, large gap usually acts differently from intraday move
[13:59] {nemo} now CTRP might go
01[14:00] {@Threei}  *(US) NOV MONTHLY BUDGET STATEMENT: -$56.8B V -$64.0BE
[14:01] {dino} tsu sm s .01 bs .26
01[14:05] {@Threei} Long Setup:  JPM  .85 break
01[14:06] {@Threei}  If holds  .78
[14:06] {RonS} don't know what this means, but...$TSU Hearing Telefonica, OI and Claro looking to offer $15B for Co
[14:06] {dino} ty ron, saw same
[14:16] {dino} cov tsu .61, +.40
01[14:16] {@Threei}  1:1
[14:16] {jfjf64} internet prob here
[14:16] {jfjf64} miss anythin
[14:17] {dino} tsu short from 25.01 to 24.61
01[14:18] {@Threei}  JPM long, but it hit 1:1 already
[14:18] {jfjf64} nice dino
[14:18] {jfjf64} nice 3i
[14:18] {jfjf64} kill ya self nemo
[14:18] {dino} ty
[14:19] {nemo} ?
[14:20] {jfjf64} lol
[14:22] {nemo} look at spy and aapl chart
[14:22] {jfjf64} same
[14:22] {nemo} yep
[14:22] {jfjf64} bam
[14:22] {nemo} go look at what the #1 capitalization stock in the SPY is
[14:23] {dino} dia gap 171.50s
01[14:23] {@Threei} Long Setup:  IWM  .30 break
01[14:24] {@Threei}  If holds  .20
[14:24] {nemo} looks like trapdoor time
01[14:25] {@Threei}  half out
01[14:26] {@Threei}  stop .24
01[14:29] {@Threei}  BABA Security flaws said to expose data from millions of users - press
[14:29] {dino} looks like some gap filling in motion, dia 173.50; 171.6; 164.33; 163.73; 161.04
[14:29] {dino} baba, old news, last month
[14:33] {nemo} 203.40 potential bounce area
[14:34] {nemo} would coincide with spy 116 test
01[14:36] {@Threei} Long Setup:  IWM  .15 break
01[14:36] {@Threei}  If holds  .05
[14:37] {jfjf64} cat
[14:37] {jfjf64} 93 break
01[14:37] {@Threei}  Invalidated
[14:38] {nemo} a FED mouth should fire anytime now
[14:38] {nemo} nest stop 203 have whole number Weekly S2 and daily S2 there
[14:38] {dptl} ok guys, i'll see you tomorrow all....
[14:39] {nemo} might not give up this .40 area
[14:39] {JoebiWan} cya dp
[14:40] {nemo} bounce time
01[14:40] {@Threei} Long Setup:  IWM  .95 break
01[14:40] {@Threei}  If holds  .85
01[14:42] {@Threei}  run IWM
01[14:42] {@Threei}  fly
01[14:42] {@Threei}  to the moon
[14:42] {nemo} if this fails, fugly tree coming
01[14:43] {@Threei}  half out
01[14:43] {@Threei}  stop .89
[14:43] {nemo} we're climbing and algo getting redder, not feeling the love
[14:46] {nemo} you might want to ask IWM nicely
[14:47] {nemo} should test resistance @.15
01[14:47] {@Threei}  1:1
01[14:47] {@Threei}  some flying takes place
01[14:47] {@Threei}  anolng with running
[14:55] {nemo} red on algo coming in but we're dropping...throw the women and children overboard
[14:56] {nemo} twtr looks weak
[14:56] {nemo} what doesn't
[14:57] {cosmo} vxx
[15:01] {nemo} sso .47
[15:01] {nemo} stop under .40
[15:01] {nemo} oh oh
[15:02] {nemo} shoulda
[15:02] {nemo}  waited until spy gets to 203
[15:02] {nemo} oy
01[15:15] {@Threei}  want one more pullback for double bottom
[15:16] {nemo} I tried to get sso .34, remember when I said I should have waited until 203,,,,dumb fuck me
[15:16] {pamsv} see ya all - have a good evening
[15:17] {nemo} P&Q
01[15:17] {@Threei}  no pullback...
[15:17] {nemo} yeah, it pulled back to .45
[15:18] {jfjf64} missed the boat
[15:19] {nemo} this key spy area
[15:19] {nemo} immho
01[15:21] {@Threei}  argh
01[15:22] {@Threei}  seriously got away
[15:22] {nemo} pirate
[15:22] {nemo} I tried to get spy on that second hammer on the bottom, order didn't go through
01[15:30] {@Threei} Long Setup:  IWM  .05 break
01[15:31] {@Threei}  change to 116 break
01[15:31] {@Threei}  If holds  .90
01[15:33] {@Threei}  1:1
[15:34] {dino} mtex drop
01[15:34] {@Threei}  1:2
01[15:34] {@Threei}  got my pullback entry finally
[15:35] {JoebiWan} gj vad :)
01[15:36] {@Threei}  ty
01[15:38] {@Threei}  ok guys, thank you asll, let's finish on this
01[15:38] {@Threei}  have a good evening, see you tomorrow
[15:48] {dino} calling it a day, gn all
[15:48] {JoebiWan} cya

Tuesday, December 9, 2014

Dec 09 2014

Another back and forth day... a lot of indecisiveness in the market.

Session Time: Tue Dec 09 00:00:00 2014

[08:50] {dino} gm
01[08:50] {@Threei}  dino :)
[09:06] {dptl} good morning
01[09:06] {@Threei}  dp :)
[09:10] {JoebiWan} gm
01[09:10] {@Threei}  jw :)
[09:13] {RonS} gm...lol...doc yesterday reviewing my blood work said i had cholesterol levels "people would die for"...dropped 30 points to 145
01[09:13] {@Threei}  ron :)
01[09:13] {@Threei}  so,,, share your remedy
[09:15] {RonS} been lifting weights...walking regularly...only eat when hungry...
01[09:16] {@Threei}  this is so boring... no miracle pill?
01[09:17] {@Threei}  stop with common sense, will ya
[09:17] {RonS} no pills...for that...high blood pressure on the other hand, pills
[09:17] {dino} gj ron
[09:19] {RonS} glucos level was 1 out of range...asked what to do? quit bread or drinking... there goes the bread...
[09:19] {RonS} +e
[09:19] {JoebiWan} lol
01[09:20] {@Threei}  one of the biggest contributions to my drastic weight drop was compklete switch from wheat bread to buckwheat one
01[09:21] {@Threei}  self-made
[09:21] {dino} ron, thats what doc is telling me, get off carbs
[09:21] {RonS} ok...nemo here:  CONN jobbed
01[09:21] {@Threei}  hehe
[09:21] {nemo} protein and vegetables
[09:21] {nemo} emperor's diet
01[09:27] {@Threei}  Upside:
01[09:27] {@Threei}  -BLUE +56% (positive data for LentiGlobin; positive broker commentary)
01[09:27] {@Threei}  -ANF +6.4% (CEO retiring, search for new CEO underway)
01[09:27] {@Threei}  - TLM +8% (confirmed interest from mulitiple suitors)
01[09:27] {@Threei}  Downside:
01[09:27] {@Threei}  -CONN -35% (earnings; withdrawal of prior FY15 guidance)
01[09:27] {@Threei}  -NBG -13% (election concerns negatively impacting equities)
01[09:27] {@Threei}  -TASR -6.7% (fired COO & eliminated position/momentum)
01[09:27] {@Threei}  -SAVE -6% (Nov traffic)
01[09:27] {@Threei}  -DGLY -5.5% (Thestreet.com making cautious comments)
01[09:27] {@Threei}  -PBY -5% (earnings)
01[09:27] {@Threei}  -HRB -5% (earnings)
01[09:27] {@Threei}  -VZ -3% (expects Q4 pressure in wireless from promotional activity)
01[09:27] {@Threei}  -BAC -2.5% (comments at Goldman FinServ conference)
01[09:27] {@Threei}  -T -2% (in sympathy with VZ)
01[09:27] {@Threei}  -UTIW -10% (earnings)
01[09:27] {@Threei}  -TRNO -4% (secondary pricing)
01[09:31] {@Threei} Long Setup:  IWM  .05 break
01[09:31] {@Threei}  If holds  .95
01[09:34] {@Threei}  no go
[09:35] {dptl} out
[09:36] {RonS} amba ouch
01[09:38] {@Threei} Long Setup:  FB  .30 break
01[09:38] {@Threei}  change to .20
01[09:38] {@Threei}  If holds  .10
[09:38] {dino} stalking that ron
01[09:40] {@Threei} Short Setup: TWTR  .95 break
01[09:40] {@Threei}  If holds  .05
[09:41] {dino} amba sm l .98
[09:41] {RonS} got amba for a buck
[09:43] {dino} wtg
[09:43] {JoebiWan} nice ron
[09:43] {RonS} hearing greek mkt -11%
[09:44] {dino} cybr sm l .96
[09:45] {dino} data sm l .55
[09:45] {dino} ron, its all greek to me
01[09:46] {@Threei}  latest report from the land of imbeciles:
01[09:46] {@Threei}  (GR) German Fin Min Schaeuble: To discuss Greece extension in the German parliament (Bundestag) next week, hopes parliament will agree to the extension - Final tranche of IMF aid may become a special credit line- Reiterates that the Juncker European investment plan should be implemented as quickly as possible- EU negotiations regarding the financial transaction tax (FTT, Tobin tax) have made little progres
01[09:46] {@Threei}  they still want that financial transaction tax, sheesh
[09:47] {dino} they need to just stop funding greece, let the market work out the defaults. the pain and time would be less
01[09:47] {@Threei}  come on UK, exit that loonie bin and put an end to the misery called EU
[09:47] {dino} out data .14 ave , +.59
[09:48] {dino} out cybr .28, +.32
[09:48] {JoebiWan} wtg
[09:48] {dino} ty
[09:48] {dino} out amba .65, +.67
01[09:48] {@Threei} Long Setup:  DAL  .70 break
01[09:49] {@Threei}  If holds  .60
[09:49] {nemo} VXX looks short
[09:49] {dino} can i go home now (oh wait, i am home)?
01[09:50] {@Threei}  no go
[09:50] {dptl} out dal
[09:53] {dino} btfd
[09:53] {nemo} kinda'
[09:53] {nemo} things looking short here
[09:54] {dino} wait....
01[09:55] {@Threei} Short Setup: TWTR  .50 break
01[09:55] {@Threei}  If holds  .60
[09:55] {JoebiWan} out amba .88 +1.00
01[09:56] {@Threei}  wtg
[09:56] {nemo} I lied...spy 205 test looks imminent
[09:56] {dino} joe gj
[09:57] {RonS} couldn't handle the success?
01[09:58] {@Threei}  lol
01[09:58] {@Threei}  just didn't stick around for the applause
[09:59] {dino} lol
01[10:00] {@Threei}  *(US) DEC IBD/TIPP ECONOMIC OPTIMISM: 48.4 V 47.0E
[10:02] {dino} vdsi sm l .35
[10:02] {dino} .32
[10:06] {cosmo} so optimism is better than expected?
[10:06] {dino} indeed
01[10:06] {@Threei}  optimister
[10:06] {cosmo} hmm
[10:07] {dino} usa compared to everywhere else is kickiing ass
[10:08] {dino} out vdsi .64, +.32
[10:09] {RonS} got a +.20 hl vdsi thanks dino
[10:09] {dino} yw, gj
[10:11] {dptl} dal .40 break short
[10:11] {dino} luv sm l .18
[10:13] {dptl} half out dal
[10:14] {dino} fwiw luv stop is .98
[10:15] {dino} mkt dropping
[10:15] {dino} altho 07 green scrolling
[10:17] {dino} luv stop -.20
[10:19] {dptl} out balance dal
[10:20] {dino} luv rinsed
[10:33] {cosmo} hi ho silver...fwiw
[10:33] {nemo} squat
[10:34] {cosmo} yeah, it varies
[10:34] {cosmo} I like Mercury dimes
[10:35] {nemo} don't see those much any more
[10:35] {nemo} nor copper pennies
[10:35] {cosmo} that's why
[10:37] {RonS} freakin mexican paper money is size of a post-it...
[10:38] {cosmo} what size post-it?
[10:38] {nemo} zotrot
01[10:40] {@Threei} Long Setup:  DAL  .60 break
01[10:40] {@Threei}  If holds  .50
01[10:42] {@Threei}  1:1
[10:43] {dptl} out
[10:43] {dptl} .70
[10:44] {dptl} accedently double cklicked got out all
01[10:48] {@Threei}  1:2
01[10:48] {@Threei}  1:3  DAL  close enough
01[10:48] {@Threei}  out
[10:50] {JoebiWan} out ty vad
01[10:50] {@Threei}  1:4
[10:50] {nemo} iwm going for gap close
01[10:50] {@Threei}  yw
[10:50] {dptl} i scrude up this one
01[10:51] {@Threei}  1:5
01[10:51] {@Threei}  1:6... somg
[10:51] {dptl} turn out just a scalp for me)
[10:51] {dptl} nice one
[10:53] {dptl} bhp .30 break short
[10:53] {dino} xiv l .
[10:53] {dptl} if holds .40
[10:55] {dino} cx xiv
[10:57] {dino} xiv l .70
[10:58] {dino} xiv stop .56 -.14
[10:59] {nemo} indexes double topping dino
[11:00] {dino} thx
[11:00] {dptl} watching bhp again
[11:03] {dptl} in
[11:03] {dptl} stop above .40
[11:03] {RonS} wdc
[11:03] {RonS} stx
[11:06] {dptl} sigh..out bhp
[11:11] {dptl} long hal .36
[11:14] {nemo} NKE
[11:14] {dino} kmi l .76
[11:19] {dptl} half out hal
[11:20] {dptl} and out rest
[11:21] {dino} nke sm l .10
[11:22] {RonS} kmi thicker than rosie o'donnel's neck...
[11:22] {JoebiWan} lol
01[11:22] {@Threei}  lol
01[11:22] {@Threei}  how can I unsee that image
[11:24] {dino} lol
[11:24] {nemo} that hurt, tried nke short
[11:24] {dino} long her
[11:24] {dino} here
[11:24] {nemo} yeah, gapped up and took me for .30
[11:26] {dino} out nke .40, +.30, thx for idea nemo
[11:26] {RonS} lol
[11:28] {nemo} yeah, I'll need three winners to make that one up
[11:28] {dino} baba just went green, smr l .15
[11:30] {dino} out kmi .84, +.08
[11:33] {nemo} I just have to remember to NEVER EVER play a breakout or breakdown
[11:34] {dptl} ?
[11:35] {nemo} I never get them right
[11:35] {dptl} bhp rinsed
01[11:35] {@Threei}  time to reread 111 Trades?
[11:36] {nemo} no, just not my trades
[11:36] {nemo} took drop of 96
01[11:36] {@Threei}  I mean, to analyze what you are doing wrong?
01[11:36] {@Threei}  you do see us taking them all the tinme and winning most of them
[11:36] {nemo} I just don't see them right not in my ability
01[11:37] {@Threei}  I don't think it's about ability
01[11:37] {@Threei}  no one is born with abi,lity to see breakouts, reversals etc
01[11:37] {@Threei}  it's trained skill
01[11:37] {@Threei}  learned
[11:38] {nemo} well now we're getting into the story of the cartwright
[11:40] {dptl} vlo .95 break short
[11:41] {dptl} if holds .05
[11:44] {dptl} invalidated
[11:45] {nemo} funny, I liked it long over 48
[11:45] {dptl} may be :)
[11:46] {nemo} iwm could got to .60 area
[11:49] {dino} lvlt spike
[11:49] {dino} sm s .70
[11:50] {nemo} hft got out of hand for a second
[11:56] {dino} nemo, that snow storm hitting you today. we're supposed to get 8-12", so far just rain
[11:56] {nemo} just rain for me, but boy was it slippery driving home last night
[11:58] {dino} cov lvlt .65, +.05 stuck
[11:59] {dino} yeah, lots of freezing rain here last two weeks, plus 8" snow thanksgiving eve
[11:59] {nemo} global warming
[12:03] {dptl} cop .20 breack sh
[12:04] {dino} actually, nov and so far december running about 4 degrees below ave. last two years we ran below ave temps in winter too
[12:04] {nemo} careful that was the setup that screwed me
[12:05] {nemo} last two years have been below average in North America dino
[12:05] {dptl} stop .31
[12:05] {dino} there you have it, lol
[12:09] {dptl} 1:1
[12:10] {dptl} 1:2
[12:11] {JoebiWan} gj dp
[12:11] {dptl} 1:3 out
01[12:11] {@Threei}  wtg
[12:11] {dptl} :)
[12:13] {dino} gj
[12:14] {dptl} ty
01[12:19] {@Threei}  Risk is off the table globally this morning after China rolled out new measures to deflate its debt bubble and the euro zone debt crisis saw yet another encore performance. Note that the possible political crisis in Athens has forced Greek equities down more than 13% today, their biggest slide in more than two decades.
01[12:19] {@Threei}  encore, lol
[12:20] {dptl} vlo .90 break sh if holds 47
[12:21] {dptl} 48
[12:27] {JoebiWan} sdrl .75 break?
[12:27] {JoebiWan} s .74
[12:27] {dino} btfd
[12:28] {nemo} bull market far from over
[12:28] {nemo} just little profit taking stretches
[12:28] {dino} agreed
[12:28] {nemo} we might not move up like we did last two years, but...
[12:29] {dino} 20k will be hit shortly
[12:29] {nemo} all central banks have to do is hit the mouse and then buy stocks
[12:30] {dino} don't fight it
[12:34] {nemo} IWM going for .0
[12:34] {nemo} .60
[12:34] {nemo} spy should break, and they go for 206
[12:37] {dptl} stopped vlo...1c to 1:1 cant do it
[12:40] {JoebiWan} sdrl stopped. .75 is pivot whoops
[12:41] {dino} amba, wow green, what a range
[12:50] {nemo} time to start throwing darts
[12:51] {nemo} algo completely green
[12:52] {dptl} taking a break
[13:00] {nemo} ehh wtf...might as well try an index short
[13:00] {RonS} Carolina Panthers quarterback Cam Newton injured in car wreck in Charlotte
[13:04] {nemo} well that didn't work either
01[13:04] {@Threei}  why short? there is no setup here
[13:05] {nemo} there was to me
[13:05] {dino} out baba .25, +1.10
[13:08] {dino} damn, sold that too soon
01[13:08] {@Threei}  here is typical breakout setip
01[13:08] {@Threei}  IWM .90 break
01[13:08] {@Threei}  what is wrong with that per your read, nemo?
[13:09] {nemo} nothing, I just don't see them, I always pick breakouts and breakdowns incorrectly,,,I only see when they're in the middle of shit
[13:10] {nemo} SPY gonna' go green
[13:10] {dino} i get it nemo, i have same issues
[13:11] {nemo} I never fail to be wrong on obvious setups, it's the unobvious ones I see
01[13:11] {@Threei} Long Setup:  VLO  .30 break
01[13:11] {@Threei}  If holds  .20
01[13:12] {@Threei}  The Moscow Times: One in three Russian officials is 'corrupt'
01[13:13] {@Threei}  hmmm... their estimate is off by 66%
[13:14] {RonS} lol
[13:20] {dptl} sigh..out vlo
[13:20] {dptl} is it one of thouse days again
[13:23] {dino} no
[13:24] {dino} :)
02[13:28] * Disconnected
Session Close: Tue Dec 09 13:28:04 2014

Session Start: Tue Dec 09 13:28:04 2014
Session Ident: #discussions
02[13:31] * Attempting to rejoin channel #discussions
03[13:31] * Rejoined channel #discussions
01[13:39] {Threei}  reversal should be close somewhere
01[13:39] {Threei}  watching VXX
[13:39] {nemo} gap close
01[13:39] {Threei} Long Setup:  VXX  .45 break
01[13:40] {Threei}  If holds  .40
[13:40] {nemo} \probably we close green today
[13:40] {nemo} no sign of momentum waning yet
01[13:41] {@Threei}  VXX is likely to react before actual jump, will be difficuklt to find entry after
01[13:41] {@Threei}  so trying with low risk entries at the first sign on setup
01[13:41] {@Threei}  this is aggressive entry for soudble bottom
01[13:41] {@Threei}  double too
[13:42] {nemo} .27 was an impotant level for SPY, but I would think they want to close that gap
01[13:46] {@Threei}  shaped up nicely for a run
01[13:46] {@Threei}  1:1
01[13:47] {@Threei}  1:2
[13:48] {dptl} ty..stop to under .55
01[13:48] {@Threei}  yw
[13:49] {JoebiWan} nice call vad
01[13:50] {@Threei}  ty
01[13:50] {@Threei}  1:3
[13:51] {JoebiWan} trailing
[13:51] {dptl} all out ty...a bit better now:)
03[13:52] * Retrieving #discussions modes...
[13:53] {dptl} need one more just like that :)
[13:54] {nemo} I have to wait for tomorrow
06[13:54] * @Threei slaps dptl around a bit with a large bottle of antigreedin
[13:56] {dptl} watching cop for .60 break long may be
[14:00] {dptl} vlo .30 break interesting long
[14:06] {dptl} cop breaking just didt give set up...will see if pulls back
[14:06] {nemo} oil is green
[14:07] {nemo} http://www.investing.com/indices/indices-futures
[14:07] {nemo} live data
[14:11] {dptl} ok .60 recross if holds .55 cop
[14:14] {dptl} out half
[14:15] {dptl} 1:2 out more
[14:15] {JoebiWan} thnx dp
01[14:16] {@Threei}  wtg
[14:16] {dptl} and out on trail
[14:16] {dptl} :)
[14:19] {dptl} well ...with fees almost black :)
[14:21] {nemo} IWM next leg coming
[14:22] {dptl} i have to cut down on number of trades...fees are dragging down
[14:23] {dptl} need that only good trades button :)
[14:26] {dino} fwiw dp, i've cut my trading in half. was giving too much back
[14:26] {nemo} this market has been really hard to trade for a while now
[14:26] {dino} yes, missing volume, lots of dead times
[14:27] {nemo} not to mention with the CBs supporting the markets, nobody has a reason to sell
[14:27] {dino} well thats just btfd
[14:27] {nemo} yep
[14:34] {dino} twx spike
[14:41] {dino} zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[14:43] {dptl} Vad, do you like dis .60 br short?
01[14:43] {@Threei}  yes
[14:44] {dptl} ok, are you gonna take it? :)
01[14:44] {@Threei}  why not
[14:45] {nemo} it's following
[14:46] {dptl} ok..i think there is room for 20c or so
[14:46] {nemo} it's following the market
[14:47] {dptl} well ...its a bit weeker
[14:47] {nemo} no look at spy and dis
[14:47] {dptl} looking
[14:47] {nemo} spy comes in you should be o.k.
[14:49] {nemo} JPM raise their dividend?
01[14:50] {@Threei}  don't see it
[14:52] {dptl} damn it
[14:52] {dptl} lol
[14:52] {dptl} didt get it
[14:52] {nemo} it broke, but it hasn't gotten anywhere yet
[14:52] {nemo} vwap is .47ish, but it depends on what SPY does
[14:53] {dino} otic spike
[14:55] {dptl} well, now i dont know
[14:55] {nemo} see
[14:56] {dptl} yeah..good i cancel on time looks like
01[14:56] {@Threei}  after such fast dive almost in 1:1, of course
[14:56] {nemo} hah?
[14:56] {dptl} it reached .51 yes
01[14:57] {@Threei}  ?
01[14:57] {@Threei}  hah what?
[14:57] {dptl} or .52
[14:57] {nemo} IWM long?
[14:58] {nemo} now it's hinting at weakness
[14:58] {nemo} DIS that is
[14:59] {nemo} higher low though, with SPY and IWM about to trigger higher
[14:59] {dptl} well set up is gone now...hard to tell
[15:00] {dino} comp 80 pt range
[15:10] {dptl} well, ok..i have to leave a bit early today, so will see you all tomorrow, :)
[15:11] {dino} cya dp
[15:12] {JoebiWan} bye dp
01[15:12] {@Threei}  take care dp
[15:16] {nemo} interesting chart on IWM break of .05 long or .00 short
[15:19] {nemo} http://goo.gl/Bxe4yv
01[15:26] {@Threei} Long Setup:  VXX  .50 break
01[15:27] {@Threei}  If holds  .40
01[15:29] {@Threei}  still valid
01[15:29] {@Threei}  let's go VXX
01[15:29] {@Threei}  let's drop SPY
[15:31] {JoebiWan} use that 2x4
[15:33] {nemo} what a turn around IWM made
[15:33] {nemo} huge engulfing flag on the daily...
01[15:36] {@Threei}  ugh
01[15:36] {@Threei}  misread last direction it seems
[15:36] {nemo} spy has to drop below 206 on volume to get vxx moving
01[15:38] {@Threei}  and it looks rather breakoutish instead
01[15:39] {@Threei}  not enough confidence to go long though
[15:42] {nemo} you might short the vix ihere
01[15:43] {@Threei}  .25 break IWM was right trigger
01[15:43] {@Threei}  in restrospect
01[15:47] {@Threei}  ok guys, thank you all
01[15:47] {@Threei}  have a good evening, see you tomorrow
[15:48] {JoebiWan} thnx cya
[15:52] {nemo} can they close the SPY gap before the close
[15:53] {dino} yes
[15:53] {dino} dji too perhaps
[15:54] {nemo} we don't get a meaninful pullback imo until the get the IWM to new ATHs
[15:55] {nemo} but that might not matter either with the CBs buying hand over fist with mouse-click money
[15:55] {dino} nothing matters
[15:55] {nemo} that's why money managers are doing so terribly
01[15:56] {@Threei}  they'd do much bgetetr if they simple went with tape
[15:56] {dino} lot of them bailed october, way off
01[15:56] {@Threei}  instead of trying to outsmart the market
[15:56] {nemo} well, even the normal "tape" correlations are shot
[15:56] {dino} spy filled
01[15:56] {@Threei}  I disagree
01[15:57] {@Threei}  look at the long term chart
[15:57] {nemo} the Central Banks have to keep the pension funds whole
01[15:57] {@Threei}  nowhere was the uptrend broken
[15:57] {dino} the central banks are just trying to keep their and their political bosses jobs
01[15:57] {@Threei}  whi caresd what their motivations are
[15:57] {dino} bingo
01[15:57] {@Threei}  https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10407170_767035190051115_4937534366828982575_n.jpg?oh=341da3001376a3e85cbe4798a98ce2ec&oe=5509BDB4&__gda__=1430516446_3f8b4ed3bce98ab9c6d855aacaf427d1
[15:58] {dino} i trade more on the micro rather than macro issues
[15:58] {dino} except for the btfd. that still works
[15:58] {nemo} yeah, absolutely...but Japan admitted they're buying stocks, just because other CBs haven't said it doesn't mean they aren't
01[15:59] {@Threei}  if I were a politial activist, I'd talk about central banks and their masters
01[15:59] {@Threei}  being a trader, I am interested only in what it is theyr are doing
01[15:59] {@Threei}  and the tape answers that question clearly
[15:59] {nemo} true, but we're having alot of flat days
01[15:59] {@Threei}  so what
01[15:59] {@Threei}  no trend goes without those
01[15:59] {@Threei}  or without pullbacks
01[16:00] {@Threei}  trend is intact until it's broken
[16:00] {dino} more like rotation nemo. wait for new year, nwe groups will lead
[16:00] {nemo} No...we're having A LOT of flat days
01[16:00] {@Threei}  flat days do not break it
01[16:00] {@Threei}  pullbacks do not break it
01[16:00] {@Threei}  what breaks it is a trend reversal
01[16:00] {@Threei}  and that can not be read in advance
01[16:00] {@Threei}  it reads only after it happens
01[16:01] {@Threei}  those flat days only allow a trend to consokidate
01[16:01] {@Threei}  and new suckers come and short
[16:01] {dino} imo, when the worlds central bankers all get toegther and say they are easing/buying, you cannot fight it even if our fed remains neutral.
01[16:01] {@Threei}  only to be killed in the next phase
[16:02] {dino} some of that nemo, is lack of volume/participants. we do not have the traders we used to have
[16:02] {nemo} Or, nobody to sell
[16:02] {nemo} got a Fed put
[16:02] {nemo} why sell
[16:03] {dino} exactly
[16:03] {dino} buy and hold is alive again (until it isn't)
[16:03] {nemo} Plus, you have the central banks printing mouseclick money and buying the market...no skin in the game
[16:03] {nemo} But they have printing power
[16:04] {dino} as it has always been
[16:04] {dino} imo, the euro f#cked it all up. by giving up individual currencies, this crisis has been extended by years
[16:05] {dino} in any case, gn all

Monday, December 8, 2014

Dec 08 2014

Back and forth day, nothing exciting trading wise. Market action however was interesting, as there were couple periods of sudden and severe selling with no news. Something to keep in mind for the future.


Session Time: Mon Dec 08 00:00:00 2014
[08:50] {dino} gm
01[08:50] {@Threei}  dino :)
[09:09] {JoebiWan} gm
01[09:11] {@Threei}  jw :)
[09:15] {RonS} hi y'all
01[09:16] {@Threei}  ron :)
[09:18] {dptl} good morning
01[09:18] {@Threei}  dp :)
01[09:24] {@Threei}  so... another dip to buy?
[09:24] {nemo} less than 1 mil spy shares...slow day coming
01[09:25] {@Threei}  Upside:
01[09:25] {@Threei}  -CBST +36% (being acquired by MRK for $102/shr)
01[09:25] {@Threei}  -ISR +7% (announced first cesium-131 veterinary implant in a horse with cancer)
01[09:25] {@Threei}  -GALE +3.5% (ASH data on GALE-401)
01[09:25] {@Threei}  -AGIO +1.8% (CELG extended discovery phase of strategic collaboration to April '16)
01[09:25] {@Threei}  Downside:
01[09:25] {@Threei}  -MYCC -13% (guided initial FY15 adj EBITDA $225-235M, R$1.0B-970M)
01[09:25] {@Threei}  -PSEC -6.3% (plans to suspend equity insurance for indefinite future, cuts dividend)
01[09:25] {@Threei}  -TASR -3.2% (negative broker commentary)
01[09:25] {@Threei}  -SGEN -3.2% (data from the Phase 3 Aethera trial)
01[09:25] {@Threei}  -MCD -3% (Nov SSS report)
01[09:25] {@Threei}  -DOV -2.5% (guided FY14 lower)
01[09:25] {@Threei}  -YUM -2% (negative broker commentary; MCD poor Nov SSS)
[09:29] {ese} gm
01[09:29] {@Threei}  ese :)
01[09:33] {@Threei} Short Setup: FB  .20 break
01[09:33] {@Threei}  If holds  .30
01[09:33] {@Threei}  Invalidated
01[09:36] {@Threei} Long Setup:  TWTR  .70 break
01[09:36] {@Threei}  If holds  .60
01[09:37] {@Threei}  nope
[09:38] {JoebiWan} brb
01[09:39] {@Threei} Short Setup: FB  77 break
01[09:39] {@Threei}  If holds  .10
01[09:39] {@Threei}  change to .05 break
01[09:39] {@Threei}  If holds  .15
01[09:40] {@Threei}  grrr
01[09:46] {@Threei} Long Setup:  DAL  .05 break
01[09:47] {@Threei}  If holds  .95
01[09:48] {@Threei}  I guess my brain is in weekend mode still
[09:49] {dptl} bhp .40 short break
[09:50] {dptl} if holds .50
[09:50] {dino} `*amba hl l .98
[09:56] {dptl} cop .30 break sh if holds .40
01[09:58] {@Threei} Long Setup:  FB  77 break
01[09:58] {@Threei}  If holds  .90
[10:00] {RonS} net probs here gotta try re-boot...
[10:02] {dptl} cop half out 1:1
01[10:03] {@Threei}  Invalidated
[10:03] {dptl} 1:2 out more
01[10:05] {@Threei} Long Setup:  FB  .80 break
01[10:05] {@Threei}  If holds  .70
[10:07] {dptl} bhp no go
[10:11] {dptl} 1:3 cop all out
01[10:11] {@Threei}  wtg
[10:11] {dptl} :)
01[10:12] {@Threei} Long Setup:  WMT  .05 break
01[10:13] {@Threei}  If holds  .95
01[10:18] {@Threei}  Invalidated
01[10:25] {@Threei} Long Setup:  VLO  .20 break
01[10:25] {@Threei}  late
01[10:29] {@Threei}  valid again
01[10:29] {@Threei}  If holds  .10
01[10:33] {@Threei}  Invalidated
01[10:33] {@Threei} Long Setup:  FB  77 break
01[10:33] {@Threei}  If holds  .90
01[10:33] {@Threei}  1:1
[10:34] {dptl} missed that one
01[10:34] {@Threei}  it pulled back right to trigger
[10:34] {dptl} long dal .11
[10:38] {dptl} out half 1:1
[10:45] {dptl} may add more dal on .25 break
[10:50] {dptl} stop to .14
[10:54] {dino} got greedy, out amba .30, +.32, had .80. stupid mistake
[10:57] {RonS} unbelievable...dino is mortal?...naw, still a scatch golfer so still a god...
[10:57] {RonS} +r
[10:57] {dino} not scratch nor god
[10:59] {jfjf64} morning all
01[10:59] {@Threei}  jf :)
[10:59] {jfjf64} how was mornin
01[10:59] {@Threei}  worth sleeping in
[11:00] {jfjf64} good
[11:00] {jfjf64} good sllep
[11:01] {dino} amba sm l .69
01[11:05] {@Threei} Long Setup:  FB  .80 brewak
01[11:05] {@Threei}  If holds  .70
[11:08] {jfjf64} jumped took .76
01[11:09] {@Threei} Short Setup: VLO  .80 break
01[11:09] {@Threei}  If holds  .90
01[11:09] {@Threei}  I don't like aggressive entry in this case
[11:09] {dptl} dal 1:2 from first entry out more
01[11:09] {@Threei}  FB I mean
[11:09] {jfjf64} follow
01[11:10] {@Threei}  Invalidated
[11:10] {jfjf64} grr
[11:11] {jfjf64} aggressive better now
[11:11] {jfjf64} shook out
[11:11] {JoebiWan} out amba +.51 thx dino
[11:12] {jfjf64} goog job jb
[11:12] {dino} amba to .99
[11:13] {jfjf64} vg keep I x
[11:14] {dptl} stop to under .20 dal
[11:16] {jfjf64} x .02 break short
[11:17] {dino} out amba .99, +.30
[11:18] {nemo} CRM
[11:18] {nemo} late
[11:20] {jfjf64} fb
[11:20] {jfjf64} ?
[11:20] {dino} f'it, re-load amba .00 sm l
01[11:22] {@Threei} Long Setup:  TWTR  .15 break
01[11:22] {@Threei}  If holds  .05
[11:23] {nemo} financials are so strong today
[11:25] {dptl} out dal balance
[11:27] {dptl} you in twtr Vad?
[11:27] {dino} amba stop .69 -.31
01[11:28] {@Threei}  yes
01[11:29] {@Threei}  no
[11:29] {dptl} k..just didt see if it triggered
[11:29] {dptl} oh
01[11:29] {@Threei}  frikin FB got away
[11:31] {dptl} cop .50 short if holds .60
[11:33] {dptl} actualy support at .40 on daily...dont know now
[11:35] {dptl} long .60 may be a better idea if holds .50 but...will watch it for now
[11:37] {nemo} PSX
[11:46] {dptl} hal .15 short if holds .25
[11:49] {dino} amba sm l .00, stop lod brk
[11:49] {dino} brb
[11:51] {dptl} half out hal
[11:56] {dptl} 1:2 out more
[11:56] {JoebiWan} gj
[11:56] {dptl} :)
[11:58] {dptl} out balance
[11:59] {ese} have a great rest of the day.....was just kinda watchin...not doin much
[12:00] {dptl} slacker :)
[12:00] {dptl} man he is fast ..lol
[12:03] {dptl} nsxx route on logix, anybody knows what is it?
01[12:04] {@Threei}  Logix guys do
[12:05] {nemo} google dp
01[12:05] {@Threei}  There has been no letup in crude this morning. WTI is down another two bucks, trading around $63.85 while Brent fell to $66.80 in London trading.
[12:05] {dptl} ok will ask them...i did google couldnt find it
[12:06] {nemo} google: http://goo.gl/DavPZN
[12:06] {nemo} you better be careful wiping ur ass
[12:06] {dptl} lol...thanx
01[12:07] {@Threei}  (GR) Greece and the Eurogroup have reportedly come to an agreement to extend the bailout program by 2 months
01[12:09] {@Threei} Short Setup: TWTR  .85 break
01[12:09] {@Threei}  If holds  .95
[12:10] {dptl} ahh....missed
01[12:11] {@Threei}  1:1
01[12:11] {@Threei}  https://www.facebook.com/VadymGraiferPhotography/photos/a.488848774527976.1073741828.483178015095052/757357434343774/?type=1&theater
[12:12] {dptl} wow nice.....:)
[12:14] {dptl} i think i'll move to Victoria when i am retire :)
[12:15] {dptl} nice twtr
01[12:15] {@Threei}  we will draw the bridge by that time, no newcomers. Tourists only, 3 days max
[12:15] {dptl} lol...
01[12:16] {@Threei}  1:2
01[12:16] {@Threei}  who pulled the rug from under SPY?
01[12:16] {@Threei}  don't see any earthshaking news
[12:18] {dptl} look at vlo. didt move with it
[12:19] {nemo} bounce time
[12:19] {dptl} .80 long may be vlo
[12:19] {dptl} aggresive for .90 break
[12:21] {dptl} will try half lot may be
[12:21] {nemo} finnies are the key today
[12:21] {nemo} they were up huge, when they hiccupped, the markets came in
[12:22] {nemo} they're just below vwap now so they'll try to recover it
[12:23] {dptl} stop under .70 vlo
[12:25] {nemo} DAX closed down .72
[12:25] {nemo} %
[12:28] {dptl} nah out vlo
01[12:29] {@Threei}  DAL Seeing put activity15700 Dec 46.5 puts trade above the ask
01[12:29] {@Threei}  closed TWTR at 1:3
[12:29] {nemo} finnies can't get above vwap another leg down coming
[12:47] {dptl} i'll step out for a bit
01[13:10] {@Threei} Long Setup:  FB  .10 break
01[13:10] {@Threei}  If holds  76
01[13:15] {@Threei}  no go
[13:16] {dptl} out fb
[13:28] {dptl} watching cop for short entry
[13:29] {dptl} in .39
01[13:39] {@Threei}  no news for these sudden drops
[13:43] {nemo} no buyers
[13:44] {dptl} ok out some cop stop to .46
01[13:44] {@Threei} Long Setup:  FB  .50 break
01[13:44] {@Threei}  If holds  .40
[13:45] {dptl} to .41 sorry
[13:47] {jfjf64} giddy up fb
01[13:47] {@Threei}  half out
01[13:47] {@Threei}  1:1
01[13:47] {@Threei}  time to fly
[13:48] {dptl} out cop
[14:22] {nemo} any news twtr
01[14:22] {@Threei}  TWTR Hearing vague chatter Apple could seek to take a stake (related AAPL)
[14:22] {nemo} aapl might be looking to take a stake
01[14:28] {@Threei} Long Setup:  IWM  .15 break
01[14:28] {@Threei}  If holds  .05
01[14:32] {@Threei}  1:1
[14:32] {dptl} out some ty
01[14:32] {@Threei}  yw
01[14:33] {@Threei}  1:2
[14:33] {dptl} out :)
[14:35] {dino} amba sm l .89
[14:37] {dino} baba sm l .45
01[14:38] {@Threei}  1:3
01[14:38] {@Threei}  (close enough)
[14:38] {dptl} vlo short may be
[14:39] {dptl} nah...support really close
[14:41] {dino} zfgn spike
[14:42] {dino} ttph spike
[14:43] {dino} out amba .50, +.61
[14:43] {JoebiWan} gj
[14:44] {dino} ty
[14:44] {dino}  out baba .90, +.45
[14:46] {pamsv} thanks all - nice calls..  cu tmrw
[14:46] {dino} gn pam
01[14:46] {@Threei}  take care pam
[14:46] {JoebiWan} bye pam
01[14:49] {@Threei}  russian alternative to Tesla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2K8qj0jnHE#t=17
[14:50] {dptl} my god...lol
[14:52] {dptl} but it works lol
[14:54] {dptl} long hal .80
01[14:55] {@Threei}  too bad we haven't caught ultimate FB bottom
01[14:55] {@Threei}  almost did but it rinsed second half
[14:59] {RonS} need to go...see you tomorrow
01[15:00] {@Threei}  take care ron
[15:02] {jfjf64} gld .70 break
[15:02] {jfjf64} hold.60
[15:14] {dptl} no go hal out
[15:18] {dptl} up a bit but not much today...i thing i did few unnessesery trades, but atleast with smaller shares :)
01[15:20] {@Threei} Long Setup:  FB  .50 break
01[15:20] {@Threei}  If holds  .40
01[15:21] {@Threei}  change to .40 break
01[15:21] {@Threei}  If holds  .30
01[15:21] {@Threei}  1:1
[15:34] {dino} leaf spike
01[15:39] {@Threei} Long Setup:  IWM  .20 break
01[15:39] {@Threei}  If holds  .10
[15:40] {dino} mco drop]
01[15:41] {@Threei}  Invalidated
[15:41] {dino} sm l .35
[15:41] {dino} out mco .75, +.40
[15:43] {dptl} ok...gn see ya all tomorrow :)
01[15:43] {@Threei}  should have switched to .10
01[15:43] {@Threei}  ok guys, thank you all, have a great evening
[15:43] {JoebiWan} thx cya

Friday, December 5, 2014

Market Week Wrap-up

TradeTheNews.comContrast Grows Sharper Between US and the Rest
Fri, 05 Dec 2014 16:15 PM EST

Markets got off to a weak start on Monday, with fluky US Thanksgiving sales numbers and weak PMI data in Europe and China weighing on global stocks. The ECB intervened verbally again on Thursday indicating that it is very close to launching a full-fledged QE program, although the final details of the campaign appear to still be under discussion. The Yen kept sliding amid the Japanese Prime Minister's rush for a new mandate for Abenomics with elections scheduled for Dec 14th, and Moody's cut Japan's sovereign rating thanks to heightened uncertainty over the government's political objectives. US equity indices were once again testing all-time highs on Friday after a stunning November US jobs report helped close out a seventh straight week of gains. In China, the Shanghai Composite continued to mark 42-month highs. The blowout US jobs report cut both ways, with the Fed now facing another data point that suggests rates need to rise sooner rather than later, though markets showed little sign of panicking yet over the prospects of a Fed 'rate lift off.' Despite the blockbuster jobs data, the spread between the10-year TIPS and the 10-year Treasury remained at a three year low, indicating that markets are still more concerned about the disinflationary effects of falling oil prices and the global economic malaise. For the week, the DJIA rose 0.7% nearing the 18,000 milestone, while the S&P500 gained 0.4%, and the Nasdaq slipped 0.2%.

The November non-farm payrolls report delivered its highest reading in more than three years, while the October non-farm total was revised up by more than 10%. Along with big payrolls gains came a surprising m/m bump up in hourly earnings, which was twice the expected rate. Between the ECB statement and the US jobs report, the dollar saw another week of strong gains. EUR/USD briefly testing below 1.2280 and USD/JPY hit a fresh 7.5-year high near 121.70 on Friday.

At the post-decision press conference, ECB President Draghi outlined his thinking about the shape of a potential QE program and said the committee would not tolerate a prolonged period of low inflation. He indicated the ECB was mulling purchases of any class of asset except gold and foreign assets and a subsequent press report suggested the ECB would most likely buy bonds but not equities. As for the launch date, he suggested the program would start in early 2015, but not necessarily at the January meeting. Obliquely addressing German resistance to sovereign QE, Draghi reminded listeners that the ECB does not need unanimity to proceed on QE and has made decisions that were not unanimous in the past.

The five-month slide in oil prices moderated somewhat this week, although both Brent and WTI futures ended below $70. An unexpected drawdown in crude stocks seen in the weekly DoE inventories report briefly arrested the price drop mid-week, although shares of shale producers continued their steep declines. According some reports Saudi Arabia is eyeing $60/barrel Brent crude as a floor where oil prices could stabilize, while separate reports indiscated crude sold at the wellhead in the Bakken shale region in North Dakota was being discounted to under $50 a barrel in some cases.

Black Friday sales numbers revealed a stark and growing divide between brick-and-mortar sales and online sales. According to ShoppperTrak, Black Friday shopping at physical stores was down about 7%, while IBM data showed online Black Friday sales were up 9.5% y/y. A National Retail Federation survey covering Thanksgiving Day through Sunday showed total spending was down 11% y/y. One bright spot: auto sales. There were reports that Black Friday auto sales grew 10% y/y, helping to boost November SAAR to 17.2M, the strongest pace since 2003.

Thanks to that boost in holiday weekend sales, most of the major automakers beat expectations for November US car sales. Chrysler again led the pack with a 20% y/y increase, while GM saw a more modest 6% gain. Nissan's sales were down on a y/y basis but still better than expected, while Toyota eked out a slight gain. Ford was the laggard, with sales down 2%, right in line with consensus estimates, while truck sales flagged, mostly due to the changeover to the highly anticipated 2015 models.

Apple suffered a minor flash crash on Monday morning just after the open of cash trade. Shares of AAPL plummeted 6.4% in one minute as trading algorithms sold the name hard for no apparent reason. Post-hoc rationalizations of the sudden move included Morgan Stanley's downgrade of the tech sector from overweight to market weight, including a recommendation to trim positions in Apple, although the news had been out for hours by the time of the mini-crash.

A nearly 10% gain for the week in Shanghai Composite - it's best week in 5 years - has given the mainland index an almost 40% rise for the year, even though the manufacturing and services PMI figures out this week were not stellar. Official manufacturing and final HSBC prints hit 8-month and 6-month lows respectively, while Services PMIs edged slightly higher. Nevertheless, the early Santa Claus rally in the Far East is in full swing, as the tailwinds of the recent PBoC interest rate cuts and analyst expectations for even more easing are lifting the relatively undervalued A-shares. The Shanghai index could continue its roll on next week's data, beginning with the release of the November trade balance on Sunday night ET.

On Monday, Moody's registered a vote of no confidence in Abenomics, cutting Japan's sovereign rating one notch, citing heightened uncertainty over the achievability of fiscal deficit reduction targets after a sales tax hike was delayed. A brief market reaction to the Moody's action was quickly absorbed and then the yen and Nikkei Index resumed their relentless rise. The Nikkei225 ended the week up 2.6% above 17,900, and will likely test the 14-year high around 18,300 early next week given continued sharp gains in the USD/JPY pair after the US jobs data. Japan's focus now turns to Sunday's release of the final Q3 GDP data which is likely to get a lift from much stronger than expected CapEx figures out this week, as well as the final stretch of political campaigning ahead of the December 14th parliamentary elections.